I hate HP

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  1. P07r0457

    P07r0457 New Member

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    freaking jet direct SUCKS BFDD.

    Printing 5 pages from IBM OnDemand is taking FOREVER over 100Mbps ethernet.
     
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    think the temporary is full, but that can happen with any printer, im very happy with hp, their printers rock, i think its just the memory thats overflowed.
     
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    Yeah, JetDirect isn't so great. Parallel ports are still king for anything that can read PCL or PostScript print jobs.
     
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    Until you join 1997 and get USB then that is best.
     
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    Really? I've never seen an inkjet that DOESN'T use water-based ink. Not that I'd mind if it used soy ink, or something like that...
     
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    deusexaethera OT Supporter

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    Not all printers come with USB ports. All printers (except for the cheap shitty ones that no business would ever use) have Parallel ports. Compatibility is important too.
     
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    Manufacturers are now going away from the parallel ports and if you want one it is an option you have to purchase. Network admin like to plug machines in the network directly. Neither canon or toshiba come standard with a parallel port, ricoh may be the same I would have to look next time I am in front of one. no one ever uses parallel ports anymore.
     
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    :werd: Ever since 1997 I have stopped using Parallel for printers...
     
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    copiertalk Secure Our Borders! OT Supporter

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    what gets me the most is that HP was the leader in printer technology. I guess they branched off into other technology like many manufacturers and did not pay attention to the core of their companies business. They now outsource their printers to not only Canon but to konica/minolta, kyocera, and many others for the low bid. They have brought down the cost of printing documents but at the cost of quality. You can buy a cheap printer for a few hundred dollars but they wear out frame wise within a year or a couple hundred thousand prints. I remember the brick of a hp 5Si and have seen meters as high as 5 million prints. They are mostly out of the field but I still get calls on them and they still work.
     
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    Well, let's face it: HP is a technology company, Canon is an imaging company. It makes sense for Canon to make cameras and printers, and for HP to shop around for the best tech in each hot market segment and sell a customized version of it. Kinda like what Sears does with their appliances.
     
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    You don't become a market leader doing that. You simply become a Value-Added Reseller (VAR) when you do that.

    HP *WAS* a market leader in Laser printing technology. Now they're simply a follower.
     
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    :dunno: If others can do it better, and HP can add features that I can actually use, I'm cool with it. If I were an HP fanboy, I suppose I'd be heartbroken, though.

    EDIT: Systems Integrator might be a more appropriate term than Value-Added Reseller.
     
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    copiertalk Secure Our Borders! OT Supporter

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    HP is not a technology company. They simply resell other brands under their name. That is their printer line anyway. I have no idea on how their servers are in the current market.
     
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    Proliant servers are very good.
     
  16. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    This brings up a good point.

    Who are the actual manufacturers to consider as far as printers go?

    Specifically, color laser printers.
     
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    I've used Konica Minolta and Cannon and been very happy.
     
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    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    Color lasers?

    Do they have anything decent under $500?

    I really don't print that often, so there's no point in spending more.
     
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    low end color laser printers are a crap shoot. Dell might have a rebadged unit they sell. I really do not deal much with the segment one products.

    I think canon has a lpb line that is a little over that price range but they are more color enabled. Hp has a simular line although I am not sure what they call it. Canon has two versions, the imageRunner line and the Imageclass line. The image class line is cheaper due to the cartridge based supplies that end users replace themself.

    color enabled printeris are mostly used for 90% black and white volume and 10% color volume. most manufacturers refers to it as business color. lines and charts will look great but pictures and high quality graphics will look like shit.

    It would depend on what you want to print for a recomendation. If you plan to print alot of photgraphs, stay away from color enabled device. If it is just to print color text or graphs you will be fine.
     
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    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    I actually was interested in the Dell 3000CN color laser printer.
    But their customer service is so shitty, it scared me away.
     
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    Konica Minolta has good low-cost color lasers; problem is the toner -- they're spendy.

    For a few hundred more, I'd definitely get a Xerox Phaser. Those things are awsome.
     
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    have you looked at the cost per copy on those.


    wax based toner. take a crayon and run it against another sheet of paper.
     
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    Yes, I have used them before. I am quite please with the results.
     
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    run them through a document feeder and get back to me.
     
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    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    More text than anything, but the occasional photo that I would want to look decent.

    I mainly think it's ridiculous to have to change the color cartridge after every 20 color photos on a normal inkjet printer. That's the main reason I want to get a color laser.
     

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