GUN I finally joined the AR crew... a toy of sorts.

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  1. MaximaDrvr

    MaximaDrvr Member

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    So, I picked this up today.
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    DPMS AR 15 lower, Model 1 Sales Upper 7.5" barrel, Model 1 pistol buffer tube. Yankee Hill free float Quad Rail, Yankee Hill sights, Yankee Hill Phantom Flash Hider, Yankee Hill Low profile gas block, Magpul Trigger Guard, Hogue rubber Grip.

    Looking forward to seeing how it performs next weekend.
     
  2. Paul Revere

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    cool pistol
     
  3. I'm not a fan of AR pistols, but it looks nice.
     
  4. eric5678

    eric5678 striving for mediocrity OT Supporter

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    looks great

    stupid question...do pistol uppers have any distinguishing marks that signify their use?
     
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    I was wondering this also...and is there some sort of federal fee to get one of these?
     
  6. Keesh

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    It's rather confusing. As long as a stripped lower (meaning it's never had a stock on it) and the manufacturer sent it out as a stripped lower, and it was transferred to you as a stripped lower or a pistol, you can build it into a pistol. You can turn a pistol into a rifle but once you put a stock on it, it can never be a pistol again.

    Some manufacturers will sell AR pistols as well.
     
  7. MaximaDrvr

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    Lower is registered as a pistol when built if bought from FFL.
    If buying bare lower, build as pistol.
    No stocks allowed, no VFG allowed

    Some uppers say for pistol only, but that doesn't have any legal weight.


    Reading the ATF crap on AR15.com, you can put on a 16''+ upper, then add a stock, shoot it, then take off the stock, put back on the short upper, and have a pistol again. You just can't put the stock on first as it would then be an SBR.

    Not sure on this in practice though, because of constructive possession.
     
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  8. xpinchx

    xpinchx hes got a nice cock, on the thin side but its stil

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    I'd imagine as long as you have a lower for each you'd be fine. :dunno:
     
  9. eric5678

    eric5678 striving for mediocrity OT Supporter

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    that's my thinking
     
  10. Keesh

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    No, you can never, ever, ever change a rifle to a pistol.
     
  11. Thompson offered pistols that came with stocks and longer barrels, they were intended to be switched back and forth between being a rifle and a pistol. I don't know how they reconciled that with the laws that would seem to prohibit that.
     
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    I belive they made exceptions to certain types like those, lugers, and mausers.

    Here's the letter on ARs


    http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/atf_letter7.txt
     
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    not bad but as said before, I've never understood AR pistols. Having a stock on it would be > *
     
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    So I couldn't make my mosin into an obrez?
     
  15. Keesh

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    For $200 you can:hs:
     
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    :o screw that
     
  17. Dobis P.R.

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    would be tight with a VFG, how much is the tax stamp for that?
     
  18. Paul Revere

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    its not NFA, its a pistol
     
  19. Dobis P.R.

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    a pistol with a vertical foregrip is an AOW and is restricted by the national firearms act
     
  20. Dobis P.R.

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    I'm asking how much it costs to get permission from the ATF to put a VFG on that
     
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    $200
     
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    A pistol with a vfg is an aow

    edit: beaten
     
  23. Dobis P.R.

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    anyone watch bullshit last night? penn and teller fucking dropped bombs :bowdown:
     
  24. Paul Revere

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    oh, i didnt realize he was asking how much it would cost to turn it into an AOW :o my bad.

    yeah, for new registration $200, but i think its only $5 to buy an already registered AOW, correct?
     
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    Well then what about the carbine conversion kits that are commonly available for sale? I have heard arguments both ways that once a rifle, then you can never go back. However I have also heard that really only refers to when a virgin receiver is first built, if its transferred and built as a rifle, then it can never be a pistol without the stamp, or if it was transferred as a pistol and built as a pistol, you can convert it back and forth using a carbine conversion kit of some sort later on.

    Look at the 1911 and Glock conversion kits that are sold.
    :dunno:
     

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