GUN I can't believe there is even a debate over this...

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  1. Peqkx

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    daviid cell tower tech

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    greedy fucking shitbags
     
  3. 70Machwon

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    what the hell, i cant believe they are trying to sue. Thats the problem with our country these days.
     
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    Stupid spic.
     
  5. Aequitas

    Aequitas If it keeps on raining, levee's going to break.

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    WTF. The guy said his son didn't have to die, his son also didn't have to pull a gun on a police officer and try to shoot him. Guy deserved to die. Also, looks like the tropper shot him at point blank range, insane situation.
     
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    anyone have the uncensored video?
     
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    What a bunch of fucking dirtbags that whole family is.
     
  8. reman

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    thats messed up, suing for what your son did wrong.
     
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    After more than a minute of struggling the cop still didnt have a handle on the suspect, that makes me think that either way someone was going to get shot. I'm just glad it was the suspect.
     
  10. RonJeremey

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    WTF. I love Texas more and more everytime I see stories like that. If the shooting is justied, law suits can't even be filed...
     
  11. copeland

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    I hope his family gets laughed outta court
     
  12. not your average

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    we live in a fucked up world
     
  13. CPipes

    CPipes Shit definitely just got real!! OT Supporter

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    Who is debating it??
     
  14. CPipes

    CPipes Shit definitely just got real!! OT Supporter

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    White??
     
  15. Alphaeus

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    That fucking sucks. No way there should even be a question that it was justified. However, the way the cop shot him might come back to haunt him, as unfortunate as that is.
     
  16. Artyboy

    Artyboy Necessity is the excuse for every infringement of

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    What in the hell was he supposed to do??
     
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    ask him nicely to stop, and surrender his weapon:rolleyes:
     
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    Was it possible for the officer to shoot somewhere that wasnt lethal? Or maybe stun him?
     
  19. CPipes

    CPipes Shit definitely just got real!! OT Supporter

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    That's kinda what i was thinking. I'm pretty sure the lawyers are going to play that against him.
     
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    Pretty sure they're all taught to aim center mass, then head if center mass isn't working or available. If an LEO is firing his weapon, he's supposed to be doing it to save a life, there is no wounding shot in that case - too big of a chance to take.

    edit: I didn't watch the vid.
     
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    Warning shots/Wounding shots are a myth thought up by sheep. If you fire a weapon at someone you better be prepared to take a life, because that's the only reason to take that action in the first place.
     
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    What the fuck... what an ignorant family
     
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    so does anyone have the uncensored video?

    By Staff and Cox News Service

    WILMINGTON | The Ohio Highway Patrol on Sunday said a Jeffersonville man opened fire on a state trooper during a traffic stop Sunday before the trooper shot him dead.
    The patrol is investigating the death of Errol T. Baker II, 26, of 15 Vine St.

    A statement from patrol headquarters in Columbus said Baker was armed and fired first.

    The statement said the shooting happened after Baker struggled with Trooper James Cress, a one-year veteran from the Wilmington post, who had stopped Baker's vehicle on Ohio 753 south of U.S. 35. It said Cress suspected Baker was driving under the influence.

    The patrol said Baker had an "extensive criminal history including drug and weapons charges and violent behavior."

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    Trooper Shoots, Kills Man During Traffic Stop
    Police: Victim Shot At Trooper

    UPDATED: 9:46 pm EST February 20, 2006
    WASHINGTON COURT HOUSE, Ohio -- A Central Ohio trooper was forced to pull a gun and fire at a man along a country road. Now, that man is dead and his family has questions.


    Errol Baker, also known as Tye, died at Grant Medical Center in Columbus. He was shot early Sunday morning in what started as a routine traffic stop, NBC 4's Mike Bowersock reported.

    SLIDESHOW: Images Of Errol Baker
    SLIDESHOW: Images From Scene

    The shooting occurred on state Route 753 in Fayette County.

    According to The Ohio State Highway Patrol, Baker was stopped just south of Bogus Road after being suspected of drunken driving.

    Baker refused a Breathalyzer test and allegedly fought with trooper James Cress, a one-year veteran with the Wilmington post.

    OSP officials said Baker pulled a gun and shot at Cress, missing him. Then Cress shot back, hitting Baker in the head.

    "Baker shot at Trooper Cress with a handgun. Baker again disobeyed orders to comply and Trooper Cress was forced to fire his service weapon at him," said Capt. Dan Kolcum, of The Ohio State Highway Patrol.

    According to the victim's mother, Baker's girlfriend -- who was a passenger in the car -- said there was a fight or struggle between Baker and Cress and then she heard one shot. OSP officials said there were two shots.

    Officials said there is a videotape of the incident that is being reviewed.

    Cress was placed on administrative leave.

    Watch NBC 4 and refresh nbc4i.com for additional information.

    Man killed during traffic stop
    Driver pulled over on suspicion of DUI fatally shot while struggling with trooper
    Monday, February 20, 2006
    Aaron Marshall
    THE COLUMBUS DISPATCH


    A state trooper fatally shot a Jeffersonville man after the man opened fire on the officer during a traffic stop in Fayette County early yesterday, authorities said.

    Errol T. Baker II, 26, of 15 Vine St., was struck in the upper body by a bullet fired by Trooper James Cress, an officer with the State Highway Patrol post in Wilmington, according to the patrol.

    Baker, who had an extensive arrest record including pending drugrelated charges in Highland County, was stopped at 1:47 a.m. yesterday under suspicion of operating a motor vehicle while under the influence.

    The patrol said Baker’s car had crossed the center line before Cress pulled him over on Rt. 753, about 2 miles south of Rt. 35. After Baker got out of his car for a field sobriety test, the two men struggled, the patrol said.

    Baker fired one shot from a handgun at Cress, the patrol said. Cress then shot Baker at close range with his .40-caliber service weapon.

    Baker’s family questions whether the patrol’s account is accurate.

    "There are just a lot of questions right now," said Mindy Baker, the older sister of Ty, as the father of three was known. "We’d like to get some answers."

    An eyewitness to the shooting, a friend of Ty Baker’s who was in his car, told Sally Baker, Ty Baker’s mother, that she heard only one shot.

    "She told me that she seen him put up against the car, they went to the ground and she heard only one shot," Sally Baker said.

    Family members also said that Ty Baker was shot in the back of the head.

    A camera mounted on the dashboard of the trooper’s car captured the shooting, according to Lt. Shawn Davis. Davis said the patrol is certain that Baker fired his weapon and that Cress returned fire with at least one shot.

    "We aren’t for sure at this point how many rounds (Cress) fired," Davis said.

    Cress, who has been with the Highway Patrol since December 2004, was placed on paid administrative leave after the shooting, which is standard procedure.

    Baker was taken to Fayette County Memorial Hospital and later transported by helicopter to Grant Medical Center in Columbus, where he died yesterday morning.

    An autopsy will be conducted today by Franklin County Coroner Brad Lewis.

    Highland County Sheriff Ron Ward said Baker was due in court this April to answer to a list of charges stemming from a three-county drug investigation that netted nine arrests.

    Baker had been indicted on one count of engaging in corrupt activity, 12 counts of trafficking in cocaine, one count of illegal manufacture of drugs, one count of discharging a firearm close to a home and two counts of possessing weapons as a felon.

    Baker was a "major target" of the drug investigation, Ward said.

    The sheriff said he had a history of violence and left a trail of felony arrests.

    "Based on his prior history, it doesn’t surprise me one bit," Ward said of yesterday’s shooting.

    Yesterday afternoon, as family members gathered quietly at the Jeffersonville home of Ty Baker’s father, Errol Baker Sr., Mindy Baker remembered the good times she had on a 2004 cruise she took with her brother, a 1997 Miami Trace High School graduate.

    "We loved the beaches and we went to all of the little clubs around Miami," she said. "Just doing what 20-somethings do when they have a good time."

    Mindy Baker said the family was told the patrol’s tape of the shooting won’t be released to them until Tuesday at the earliest.

    "I just want to see the tape and know for myself the truth," she said.

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    Ohio State Highway Patrol
    Media Release



    General Headquarters — Columbus, Ohio




    For Immediate Release: February 19, 2006
    Contact: Lt. Rick Zwayer or Sgt. Tony Bradshaw (614) 752-2792



    Patrol investigating officer-involved shooting on State Route 753
    WILMINGTON – The Ohio State Highway Patrol is continuing their investigation of an officer-involved shooting that occurred early this morning from a traffic stop on State Route 753, south of U.S. 35 in Fayette County. Errol T. Baker II, 26, of 15 Vine Street in Jeffersonville was armed and fired a shot at a trooper before being shot. Baker has since died as a result of injuries received.

    This morning at approximately 1:47 a.m., Tpr. James Cress, a one-year member from the Wilmington Patrol Post, stopped Baker’s vehicle for suspected operating a vehicle under the influence (OVI) on State Route 753, south of U.S. 35.

    As part of the traffic stop, Baker, who had an extensive criminal history including drug and weapon charges and violent behavior, was asked to exit the vehicle for OVI testing. Immediately upon exiting the vehicle, he failed to comply with Tpr. Cress’s orders and a struggle ensued.

    While Tpr. Cress was attempting to gain control of Baker, he shot at Tpr. Cress with a handgun. Baker again disobeyed orders to comply and Tpr. Cress was forced to fire his service weapon at him.

    Baker was struck in the upper body and was transported to Fayette Memorial Hospital and later taken by MedFlight to Grant Hospital in Columbus. He died as a result of injuries received.

    The Fayette County Sheriff’s Office, Greenfield Police Department, Washington Court House Police Department, Washington Court House Fire Department, and the Ohio Department of Transportation assisted at the scene of the incident.

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    06-046


    www.statepatrol.ohio.gov
     
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    i hate hearing shit like this. sounds like papa needs to be shot too.
     
  25. Platinum_Thunder

    Platinum_Thunder Reliability for life and liberty

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    Happens all the time. The departments insurance company will probably just settle out of court.
     

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