A&P How much $$$ would you pay for each additional stop of Dynamic Range?

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  1. CornUponCob

    CornUponCob New Member

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    For impossible lighting situations like this...

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    Black dog in the shadow of a girl wearing a brightly colored outfit in direct sunlight. Even fill flash isn't going to help you here.


    Let's say the 1st additional stop of DR is $50, the 2nd is an additional $100, the 3rd is $150 and so on.... meaning if you wanted a total of 4 additional stops of DR that would cost you $500.

    So..... how many would you buy (and you can assume whatever you want, clearly more DR on a 1Ds MKII is worth more than more DR on a Digi Rebel but for the sake of this thread you can ignore that)


    Gallery from which this image came
    http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~gtg243h/FamilyPics/index.html#20

    These are "exerts" from the fall pictures I've been shooting just for my family (because I doubt they care about every single "Fall" picture I've taken). Most of these images are intended to have an orange / golden hue.
     
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    Move the dog to the other side of the kid. Free...
     
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    CornUponCob New Member

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    Doesn't really work that way.

    EDIT: The next time I miss a sports action shot I'm just going to kindly ask for the players to do it again.
     
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    Shadow highlights. DR on demand :eek:

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    you coulda just used flash :hs:

    with that said, I'd love the s3's DR in a canon sensor.
     
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    So you should know, that for over 3 years I had been using Photoshop 7.0 and just recently "upgraded" to CS2. In this example (that you posted) I think it does a good job in bringing out the dogs face.

    I've been playing with the tool for other images (after having read multiple tutorials.... the tool's not that hard to use) and I'm not sure if I like the results. If with the midtone contrast slider set to 5 ~ 10% I still find myself just going back and increasing contrast in Levels. I tried the tool on other pictures of the same dogs and it continued to work quite well.

    I think the "problem" is that I have no processed my RAW files in a manner that is approporiate for the use of this tool. I'll keep playing with it.
     
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    I use to use shadow/highlight a lot, I had a preset I applied and it worked for most.

    Now the fill light slider in lightroom works for me.
     
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    I wouldn't pay anything for 1 stop of DR and one stop isn't going to help you there. 5 stops is another story though, then you could have gotten the dogs face and kept some texture in the blown highlight on the kids hat. That would be worth extra $$.

    As for the highlight/shadow tool: cloning the layer and applying the corrections then using a hide all layer mask and painting shadow detail in is the way to go. (I use CS so I don't know if you can shadow/highlight as an adjustment layer in CS2)
     
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    get a flash and shoot raw
     
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    I have a 580ex and I shoot exclusively RAW now.

    That doesn't mean I always have my flash on me, nor the time to configure it (even if I had it on) instantly when the dog and baby decide to do something "cute".
     
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    That's a good idea, because S/H was screwing with other parts of my image that I didn't want touched.

    I'm still slow to learn PS because I hate doing it. I'd much rather be out taking pictures.
     
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    I think that this one was taken with fill flash

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    i'd at least pay a million bucks, because i make so much money with my wedding photography binuzzz that i can pay for everythangs times 6, i basically am the greatest photographer on the face of the planet, hell, at least i don't drive a fucking miata, F150 ftw YALLL BIG BALLIN
     
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    I'd pay for another 4 or 5 stops. They say digital & film have a difference of 1 stop...but film can process the highlights & shadows with so much more depth. A drawback to digital I guess...
     
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    slides have 5-6 stops of range. it holds shadow detail incredible well but loses highlights instantly on over exposuer
    B&W neg film has 9+ stops of range, by far the best for large tonal range
    color neg film, 6-7 stops, but incredible lattitude for mistake.


    digi, depends on who you ask - still not really there in my book, others will pixel peep and say its as good as B&W, but not in real world shooting. the s3 promised a lot, but theres still a lot of room for improvement in this area
     
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    I found a review that says the 20D has 8.7 stops at ISO 100 and 7.1 stops at ISO1600 vs. the 5D's 8.9 & 7.6.

    I think $100 for a 20D with almost 11 stops would be a pretty good deal. :cool:

    http://www.ddisoftware.com/20d-5d/
     
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    http://www.clarkvision.com/imagedetail/dynamicrange2/

    I dunno if I'm reading this right, but this guy seems to disagree? :squint: Too much techno-babble for me to process this morning.
     
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    I shoot RAW 100% of the time and unless I'm shooting scenery or live entertainment where there is colorful ambient lighting, I use a flash.
     

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