How much processor do I need to buy?

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  1. Chris

    Chris New Member

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    I dont game or run really intensive programs, but I do want to be able to run Vista (though probably not right away) and just generally have a computer that will at least be able to survive like 3 years before being really obsolete

    Im thinking the E6420 Conroe

    or should I go with the E6600
     
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    mdaniel S is for Shiksa

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    Either of those will be fine. I built my current system and went with the E6600 because it was the slowest one that got the 4MB of L2 cache. RAM is more important than CPU speed. Make sure you get 2GB minimum or 4GB if you can.
     
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    The 6420 will be plenty.

    A word of advice on ram, there's no point in going to 4GB unless you're planning on running either a 64bit version of windows (XP or Vista) or a non microsoft OS that supports that much, because the 32bit versions of xp and vista will only see 3.5GB. Not a huge deal, just a heads up so you're not surprised.
     
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    3.25GB, iirc
     
  5. Chris

    Chris New Member

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    ok, so critique my setup, tell me if I have any compatibility issues anywhere or anything missing or stuff like that


    Intel Core 2 Duo E6420 Conroe 2.13GHz 4M shared L2 Cache LGA 775 Processor - Retail $186
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16819115016

    ASUS P5B-Plus LGA 775 Intel P965 Express ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail $130
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16813131177

    Patriot eXtreme Performance 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory - Retail $140
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16820220144

    SAPPHIRE 100196L Radeon X1950PRO 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card - Retail $180
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16814102075

    Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3320620AS (Perpendicular Recording Technology) 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $75
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16822148140

    COOLER MASTER Centurion 534 RC-534-KKN2-GP Black Aluminum & Mesh bezel / SECC Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail $50
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16811119106

    HIPER HPU-4K530-MS ATX12V v2.2 530W Power Supply 100 - 120V UL, CE, TUV, FCC, CB - Retail $85
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16817128006

    LITE-ON Black 20X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 20X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner with LightScribe - OEM $37
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?item=N82E16827106073

    ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler - Retail $35
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134

    Shipping $35

    Grand Total $950

    Ill start the system out using XP so that should be enough RAM as was stated earlier, and I can always add more. Same with HDD space
     
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    Depends on the hardware. I'm getting 3.326GB out of 4GB on Vista x86.
     
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    So maybe this one
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131180

    And somebody mentioned space issues with the Freezer 7 Pro on the Gigabyte DS3P, do you think I would have that problem
     
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    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    I like everything except two components.

    The psu. You want something better.
    This Antec True Power Trio is a 650 watter for $108, and it's made by Seasonic.
    Good stuff.
    http://www.buy.com/retail/product.a...m=202902530&Type=PE&Category=Comp&dcaid=15890

    And the cooler. For just a few dollars more, you could go with a Zalman 7700 copper cooler. I use one on my E6600, and even when I was overclocking it to 3.0ghz, it would idle at around 41C or lower. (depending on room temp)
    And the Zalman's are wonderfully quiet.
     
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    You think 550 watts would be enough, I have a newegg promo code to get this one for 74.99
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371002
     
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    the antec tp550 is uber shitty. I've had to rma dozens of those. I won't use them anymore.
     
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    sad day
     
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    honestly, tho. You're better off with a Fortron/Sparkle/Enermax for that price. Those have been quite stable for me. PCP&C would be the "ultimate" but not obtainable for the cost you're looking at.
     
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    So about how much power should I be looking for, obviously under doing it is worse than over doing it, so you see the hardware Im looking at, it would be that plus another SATA HDD and and GB or 2 of RAM in the future. And I imagine if that vid card is as good as the reviews claim it is I will be keeping it
     
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    what is your exact budget for PSU?

    $85 - Enermax 535W 2x80mm SLI [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
    This Enermax is a good unit, but I'd personally go with something else. It's got 2x80mm fans so it cools well, but it's going to get a little noisy at full-throttle. Good news is Enermax has excellent thermal management, and when not working the system it will be quiet. There is no PFC so that's a downside, but that's not too big a deal. The 3.3V and 5V rails have lots of power on tap so this is a good unit for power-hungry CPUs and RAM.

    $86 - Fortron 500W Active PFC 120mm SLI [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
    This is an excellent PSU for the money. The 3.3V and 5V rails arn't quite as good as the Enermax but they're close. This unit features Active PFC so it's quite efficent in terms of power supplies, and it does an excellent job stabalizing voltage fluctuations and deliverying steady current. It's single 120mm fan cools well and does so very quietly. In the <$100 category, this would be my unit of choice.

    $110 - OCZ 600W Active PFC 120mm SLI [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
    This is a tremendous power supply. 120mm cooling fan keeps the unit happy and four 12V rails deliver a whopping 18A each. This is a great PSU for SLI systems that need the extra 12V current. The 5V is a little sad for a unit with so much to offer on the 12V rails, imo... I'd like to see a second 5V rail or more current on the existing rail to support more hard drives, but it's a good unit.

    $116 - Fortron 600W Active PFC 120mm SLI [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
    Another solid performer from Fortron. All the features we expect -- quiet high-performance cooling, active PFC, good looks, etc. There's plenty of current on the four 12V rails. Not as much as the OCZ, but I think the Fortron is actually a better unit. I like to see that current on the 3.3V rail -- that's what's running your CPU, RAM, and northbridge.

    $120 - Sparkle 600W Active PFC 120mm SLI [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
    In case you didn't know, Forton and Sparkle are the same company. Fortron was originally their "consumer" line, and sparkle was their "server" line. This line has become blurred in the last few years as Fortron gets nicer and nicer units, and Sparkle adds a little more flair to their previously-business-suite units. This unit combines the 12V power of the previous OCZ with the crushing 3.3V rail of the Fortron. Truely a great unit.
     
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    Corsair 620HX. Great psu.
     
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    negative ghostrider.

    The corsair 620hx has a disappointly weak 3.3V rail (only 24A -- a whopping 12A less than the sparkle!). Not good for high-power systems with powerful cpus, lots of memory, PCI-E cards, etc... Not good at all. It's triple 12V rails are adequate, but for the pricey $170 tag they want for one, you're MUCH better off with the Sparkle with MORE POWER for LESS MONEY.
     
  19. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    I'm not sure who made the older True Power psu's for Antec that Jolly mentioned, but the one you listed is also made by Seasonic, and is a solid build.
    If you can get it for the $74.99, then go for it. *but* The 650 watter is a better, beefier design.

    I ran an E6600, an eVga 7900GT superclocked card, a scsi adaptor, 4x hard drives,
    and a Plextor 716A off of an older 550 watt psu, so you'll be fine with that.

    That being said, the psu is super critical to your rig running smoothly. If you can spare the extra $35 or so,
    get the 650 watter.
     
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    Yeah, those are all in the range, 120 is about he most I would want to spend, something that will get me at least 550w
     
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    For $120 you will not beat the Sparkle. And the Sparkle will dance circles around the Antec that doc is sackriding.

    The Antec is fucking SHITTY. I don't care if Seasonic made the CASING. The components that Antec has contracted are fucking shitty to the max.

    Look at their specs:

    [email protected] (a whopping 15A less than Sparkle and it's missing a rail!)
    [email protected] (wow that's shitty)
    [email protected] (again, fucktastically shitty. don't run too many hard drives with this lame PSU)

    And after all that shittiness, Antec still has the audacity to charge MORE than Sparkle -- when Sparkle uses BETTER components has BETTER specs, is MORE respected in the industry, and actually designs SERVER-GRADE units.

    You are a mother-fucking fool if you choose an Antec over the Sparkle. Why pay more for so much less?
     
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    So does the Sparkle have the same 2 year warranty as the Fortron does?

    Also, the Zalman CPU fan comes with a tube of thermal grease, it doesnt say what it is, but I was wondering if I should just buy some Arctic Silver 5 just for safety's sake?
     
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    I'm pretty sure the zalman grease is just silicone, arctic silver will out perform it by a couple of degrees.
     
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    thats pretty much what I figured
     
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    About 35 kilograms should be enough. Or do the sell them in litres nowadays?

    I'm in a nasty mood today. Sorry.
     

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