A&P How much of the photography biz is Business > Skill?

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  1. Where have mass amounts of lenses can make any shitty photographer professional?
     
  2. Mutombo

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    The really skilled photographers are going to stand out with their work, but may not make much money if they don't know how to market themselves or run a business.

    The really good business people are going to make money, even if they are shitty photographers. Just look at all the photographers charging $30k+. Sure, some are good, but some are awful :rofl:

    Business >>>>> skill
     
  3. Cicada

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    as with most things, Business > Skill

    the average consumer doesn't know any better, so someone who appears to be "pro" can sell them on almost anything if they're good enough.
     
  4. Jcolman

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    If that were the case I'd be charging $6000 per wedding.
     
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    wisdom.
     
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  8. mojito

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    Prime Lenses:
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    35 F/1.4L
    50 F/1.2L
    85 F/1.2L
    135 F/2L
    180 F/3.5L Macro
    300 F/2.8L IS
    400 F/5.6L
    500 F/4L IS

    Zoom Lenses:
    16-35 F/2.8L
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    100-400 F/4.5-5.6L

    Camera Bags (yes I have a problem)

    Lowepro: Super Trekker AW II, Photo Trekker AW II, Dryzone 200, Off Trail 2, Sideline Shooter, Lens Trekker 600 AW, Toploader 65 AW, 70 AW, 75 AW, Dryzone Rover, Vertex 200 AW and Vertex 300AW.

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    And assorted goodies: 580EX x 2, 580EX II, Sekonic L-358, 1.4X Extender, 2X Extender, Kenko Extension Tubes, Wimberley Tri-Pod Head II WH-200, Gitzo GM-3550, Gitzo GT-0530, Gitzo GT-3540LS, Gitzo GT-5540LS, Arca Swiss Monoball Z-1, Quantum Turbo Battery, Quantum Turbo SC, Quantum Q-Flash T5D, Quantum Q-Nexus

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  9. Wobistdu

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    mojito, is it normal to be a business photographer and host pics of people with yellow teeth? i'm confused
     
  10. Jonny Chimpo

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    Brosef, that cat ain't got shit on this pro:

    http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1510229&postcount=103
     
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    :rofl: so nasty
     
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    Your IRS records shows who is a pro and who is not.

    Show me the money, is a valid point here.

    Here is some of my equipment, yet I seldom shoot for money. One lens on one camera body on one tripod and you have fifteen grand spent. Easy to drop cash for good equipment. Good equipment does not guarantee good results.

    Some Of My Equipment: Nikon D3. ~ Nikon D300 w/ MB-D10 w/ENEL-4A's ~ Nikon D200 w/WT-3A ~ Kodak Pro SLRn ~ Fujifilm S5 Pro/MB-D200 ~ 10.5mm f/2.8 G IF ED DX ~ 24mm f/2.8 AFD ~ 28mm f/2.8 AFD ~ 28mm f/2.8 AFD ~ 28mm f/2.8 AFD NIB ~ 35mm f/2.0 AFD ~ 50mm f/1.2 IF ~ 50mm f/1.4 AFD ~ 50mm f/1.4 A ~ 55mm f/1.2 IF ~ 60mm f/2.8 AFD Micro ~ 85mm f/1.4 AFD ~ 135mm f/2 AF DC ~ 300mm f/2.8 ED IF ~ 500mm f/4 P ED IF ~ 18-200mm VR f/3.5-5.6 ED-IF AF-S DX ~ 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5G ED-IF AF ~ 35-70mm f/2.8 AF-D ~ 70-200mm VR f/2.8 G ED IF AF-S ~ 70-300mm VR f/4.5-5.6 G ED IF AF-S ~ 80-400mm VR f/4.5-5.6D ED AF ~ TC-14b 1.4 ~ TC-17EII 1.7 ~ TC-200 2.0 ~ TC-301 2.0 ~ Sigma 24-70mm f/2.8 EX DG AF ~ Sigma 120-300mm f/2.8 APO EX DG AF ~ Sigma 300-800mm f/5.6 APO EX AF ~ Sigma APO EX DG 1.4 ~ Sigma APO EX DG 2.0 ~ Kenko Teleplus PRO 300 "DG" AF 3x Teleconverter ~ Kenko Macro Extension Tube Set ~ Kenko 180 degree true fish eye ~ Sigma 28-70 f/1.28-4 D ~ Sigma 70-300 f/1.4-5.6 D DG Macro ~ Vivitar 500mm f/8 Mirror lens ~ 8 Nikon SB-800's ~ Savage Soft Box w/24, 24 watt bulbs, full spectrum fluorescent (equal to 280 - 100 watt light bulbs.) ~ Savage Soft box w/6, 24 watt bulbs, full spectrum fluorescent (equal to 70 - 100 watts light bulbs.) ~ Sony 60 LED Ring Light ~ Minolta Light Meter IIIF ~Manfrotto 3258 Heavy Duty 8' Tripod. ~ Wimberley Gimbal Head Version II ~ (2) Manfrotto 3251 Tripods ~ 3 Manfrotto 133DDB Horizontal Arms ~ Manfrotto Studio Dolly 3156 ~ Manfrotto Tripod 755B/0110 ~ Manfrotto Self Standing Monopod 682B ~ Manfrotto Monopod 479B/LC15 ~ Manfrotto 322RC2 Head 2 Quick Releases ~ (2) Manfrotto 3265 Heads ~Samson Rolling Double Head Camera Stand 7301 ~Canon iPF8000 44'' x 59' ~ Epson r1800 13'' x 19'' ~ Several Brother & HP office printers ~ Olevia 542i 42'' wide screen, 1360 x 768, 1080i resolution, 178-degree viewing angle, 1600:1 DCR ~ 4 22" flat screens ~ ACDSee 10 ~ Adobe Photoshop CS3 Extended ~ Adobe Lightroom 1.3 ~ Canon Digital Photo Print Pro ~ Canon Poster Artist 7 ~ Compupic Pro 6.3 ~ Corel Paint Shop Pro Photo X2 ~ Micrographfx Picture Publisher 10 ~ Microsoft Digital Image Pro 10 ~ Microsoft Expression Web ~ Microsoft Front Page 2003 ~ Microsoft Publisher 2003 ~ MGI PhotoSuite 4 ~ Nikon Capture NX ~ PhotoImpact Pro ~ Photo Explorer ~ Qimage ~ The Print Shop 23
     
  15. adamlewis88

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    I would say that 95% of the Photography Business is Business related.
     
  16. someonenew

    someonenew He's Dangerous

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    it's a lot of marketing, I've seen people who couldn't take a decent photo making money hand over fist because of who they're marketing to. For example if you take pics of pageants, especially kid pageants, and you can get into that inner circle...you could be making more money than you know what to do with and still be a shitty photographer...I've seen it!

    for what it's worth someone once told me that the definition of a professional photographer is a person who can achieve the same consistant results every time. that's all well and good, but what if they're consistantly bad? I guess they're just a bad professional photographer :o
     
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    If they are consistently bad they won't stay in business very long.
     
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    Ill refine my statement and say it depends on what type of business youre talking about when you talk about business.

    If its photographers shooting for some kind of agency and theyre actually on staff, they have to be good. They have to be unique and they also have to be consistent.

    If its photographers working for themselves who are just marketing to normal people, they just have to be good business people and know how to sell a product.
     
  19. Keiphus

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    The problem with photography is that you are having average joes looking for a professional skill. Until the photography world can find a way to educate the masses on what is good and what is not, business people will make more money than skilled photographers. I work in VFX and in our business, you can offer to do a job for free, but if your skill sucks, you won't get hired. This is natural though, since the people writing the checks are professionals and have a trained eye.
     
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    gear and a year bro
     

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