How much additional weight do the benchpress Smith machines overcompensate your 1rm?

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  1. Toodles

    Toodles You are the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the w OT Supporter

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    You know the ones with the safety pins. :hs:

    I don't have a spotter at the moment so I've been using them so that I can max out each set without worrying about potentially crushing my ribs. But they certainly don't feel as difficult as the regular benches since they take away the element of working your stabilizers.

    If my 1rm bp is ~225 lbs on the Smith, would that be around 205 for the regular benches? How much extra weight does it typically overestimate? :dunno:
     
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    can't really compare the two. the smith bar is usually skinnier and you don't need to stabilize or control the weight at all.

    get off the smith and just ask someone for a spot on your heavy sets.
     
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    Toodles You are the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the w OT Supporter

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    Really? I had no idea the smith bar was any different from the regular olympic bars :eek3:

    Yeah every once in a while I might ask a dude around me for a spot, but I'm not sure if he would feel annoyed after being asked set after set. :o
     
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    Chris3G Bullshark Testosterone

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    i don't think flat benching on a smith machine is a good idea, for the same reasons squatting with the smith is not a good idea.
     
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    I think the smith machine benchpress has its uses.... but definitely no point in maxing out.
     
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    when i use the smith machine for flat bench, it seems easier
     
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    SlowNegative Her name is Rio

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    Bar resistance on smith is typically 15lbs vs a 45 lb olympic bar.
     
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    maks Bah! t(-_-t)

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    I actually tried smith benching for the first time last night. It felt like i could balance the bar alone with just one finger. I pretty much took it as the bar weighing 0.
     
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    my bench motion isn't straight up so a smith would throw me off
     
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    a "good" smith should be setup so the bar is counterbalanced an effectively weighs close to zero

    just like DB to BB, a smith bench doesn't correlate that well to regular bench because certain muscles are used differently, ie. stabilzers not really used, no arc in pressing motion, etc
     
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    and the counter-weighted smith machines still have the inertia of the bar and counterweight so it is a strange sensation, still have to use a lot of force to move it but in itself there is no weight.
     
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    just do real benching and don't worry about the smith
     
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    maks Bah! t(-_-t)

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    yeah we have one of the newer smith machines here. It also seems to go up and down at an angle.
     
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    So the Smith machines are really good for nothing? :hs:
     
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    Toodles You are the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the w OT Supporter

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    :wtc:

    Looking at everybody's responses here, I guess the best thing flat chest exercise for me is the db press since I don't want to use a flat bench to max out my reps and jeopardize my life while at it right? :hs:
     
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    Toodles You are the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the w OT Supporter

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    I'm trying to build up my max bench rep again, but I don't have a spotter anymore as I've just moved from LA to Boston and I only know like 2 people here in the city so far. :o

    And I hate asking the next guy to spot me...I mean if it's a set or two, fine. But the benchpress weight format I follow doesn't allow me to do that unless I have a spot for the last few sets. :hs:

    Oh well I guess it's back to dbs for me. :hs:
     
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    you dont really need a spotter, cant you just roll the weight off you? when i was close grip benching with 225 i got pinned on my 8th rep or something awhile ago, and i just rolled it off me with ease :hs:
     
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    Toodles You are the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the w OT Supporter

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    Don't know man, kinda scary :noes:

    I'll give it a shot this friday (chest day) and report back.

    If not then you can probably find me in a hospital somewhere in boston :wavey:
     
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    maks Bah! t(-_-t)

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    i got pinned once...doing incline barbell bench :wtc:
     
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    kilian You've got quite a treasure there in that Horadric OT Supporter

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    I just roll shit off me.
    I mean unless you're really small, it shouldn't be a problem.
     
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    if youre doing it for like 8 reps you should be able to roll it off yourself :hsd:

    or just ask somebody
     
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    Toodles You are the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the w OT Supporter

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    i've been pinned before at 2 plates...scariest feeling ever, especially if your benchpress is at home and there's nobody there but yourself :noes:
     
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    just dont put collars on so u can tilt the plates off
     
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    Toodles You are the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the w OT Supporter

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    This is currently the bp weight format regimen (including warm-up sets) I follow to build up strength, with my 1rm being around 220-225 lbs:

    barx12
    135x10
    160x8
    180x5
    190x3
    215x2
    215x2
    215x2
    185x5

    I have problems with the last 3 sets or so. It's scary as hell when I feel my arms start to buckle. :eek3:
     
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    Toodles You are the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the w OT Supporter

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    :hs: Still :noes: though.

    I never really understood why there is so much hate for the Smith machines though. The safety pins are ingenious, and although you don't work the stabilizers as you do with a regular bp, you still give your tris and pecs a decent workout. :hs:
     
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