GUN How many LEO or military contracts does glock have?

Discussion in 'On Topic' started by Crossett, Sep 30, 2009.

  1. Crossett

    Crossett New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2003
    Messages:
    13,472
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    In my mind
  2. johnson

    johnson New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2003
    Messages:
    38,412
    Likes Received:
    0
    2004 != just got

    Who knows what their requirements were for choosing a pistol in the first place.
     
  3. ChipOnShoulder

    ChipOnShoulder New Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2008
    Messages:
    1,612
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    US
    Because what the cops/military use is always the best.

    :hs:

    Glocks have a low bore line compared to the HK/SIG, inexpensive parts, ease of maintenance, good accuracy, and legendary reliability.

    And they're cheap/ubiquitous.

    Weapons are weapons, not fashion statements. I wouldn't care what brand of pistol Linday Lohan stuffs in her vagina to get off :)
     
  4. Crossett

    Crossett New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2003
    Messages:
    13,472
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    In my mind
    One would think that the people who depend on firearms the most would have the highest standards.

    And Lindsay Lohan is a nasty dirty whore
     
  5. JRucker2004

    JRucker2004 New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2009
    Messages:
    557
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Oregon
    You'd think...
    but again and again it's not the case. Politics and budgets almost always are the deciding factors.
     
  6. Crossett

    Crossett New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2003
    Messages:
    13,472
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    In my mind
    budgets are almost always factors, so they buy more expensive "less reliable" firearms?

    uh, yeah... that makes no sense at all.
     
  7. ChipOnShoulder

    ChipOnShoulder New Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2008
    Messages:
    1,612
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    US
    Unfortunately, they don't always.

    Politics plays a big role in weapons requisition. Don't forget that in the 70s/80s the feds and coppers were severely out gunned by street criminals. Six shooters stuck around way longer than they should have. And what off the roaring 20s when the gangsters got the best hardware first?

    And though it PAINS me to bring it up (again)... North Hollywood.

    If i wanted to buy a gun as a fashion statement, the Mark 23 or USP Tactical would be my pistol. Solid Snake/Jack Bauer for the win!

    But for a pistol i intend to use a shit load, break a lot mags for (through use), and have to pay for maintenance for etc... i'm gonna get a Glock. Same deal with picking a car. A Glock is a Honda, boring and reliable. A H&K is like a bimmer: flashy, german, and twice as complex as necessary.
     
  8. Crossett

    Crossett New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2003
    Messages:
    13,472
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    In my mind
    This argument is invalid for the point of this thread. The handguns I am specifically referring to are all available in the same caliber.

    I also don't really understand what you mean by "fashion statement". Is this because your average sig/hk is more expensive than your average glock? Therefor you are against it?

    Glocks are basically German too. You could use the same argument with AR's and AK's, yet WMD loves itself some AR's.

    And how is a DAO sig/hk more unecessarily complex than a striker fired glock?

    Does no one understand the point i'm trying to make? It seems like you guys are all just arguing your opinions.
     
  9. Soybomb

    Soybomb New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2003
    Messages:
    9,041
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Illinois
    :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: and in this perfect world no one would steal, socialism would work, politicians wouldn't lie, hot women would rape me every day, and my liquor bottle would never be empty.


    However back in the real world, it doesn't work like that. Low bid wins. Fucktards get in positions to make such decisions. Politically appointed brass has to buy from the "right" vendor, etc.
     
  10. Crossett

    Crossett New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2003
    Messages:
    13,472
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    In my mind
    So HK and sig can offer a lower priced option than glock??? Seriously? Cause they sure cost you and me a fuck load more.
     
  11. Soybomb

    Soybomb New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2003
    Messages:
    9,041
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Illinois
    I doubt it, but I don't know what they offered. Glock will offer leo's far better deals than they will you and me too, its marketing.

    I didn't say price was the factor in every case though. Maybe the person making the decision in X case was an idiot. Maybe they were under someone's thumb who owed someone a favor in the form of a contract job. The point was that best doesn't always win and winning doesn't mean its the best, or even close to it. If it did that would mean that the beretta 92 is one of the best handguns ever made because of its .mil contract and I doubt thats the case you'd try to make.
     
  12. yar1182

    yar1182 New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2008
    Messages:
    4,852
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Ventura California
    Actually it varies from department to department. The LAPD Swat guys I know as well as SIS are using glock 21's. As far as the regular patrol guys and Detectives there are a number of choices, seems most are using Glock 22's.
     
  13. johnson

    johnson New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2003
    Messages:
    38,412
    Likes Received:
    0
    Interesting post about the Kimber SIS.

     
  14. Crossett

    Crossett New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2003
    Messages:
    13,472
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    In my mind
    The point I was trying to make was mainly referring to the homeland defense contract that sig and HK got. Why go with the more expensive option unless it's worth the extra cost. And I don't really know much about Beretta's, mainly the complaint that I hear is that they're 9mm and people want something with more sack. A buddy of mine has a 92FS and i've put ~20 rounds through it, seemed like a pretty decent gun to me. :dunno:
     
  15. JRucker2004

    JRucker2004 New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2009
    Messages:
    557
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Oregon
    here are a few:
    http://www.thegunzone.com/m9-a.html
    another is that blowback has more felt recoil than say, delayed blowback or short recoil.
    My biggest complaint is that the grip is huge. (I admit, my small hands could be to blame, but it's still quite a bit larger than many of the other handguns I've fired)
     
  16. Keesh

    Keesh New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 26, 2003
    Messages:
    15,333
    Likes Received:
    0
    Why do some people insist on eating organic food, can they really taste the difference or is it healthier? Maybe they believe it's superior because it costs more and that's what they've been told by marketing.
     
  17. ChipOnShoulder

    ChipOnShoulder New Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2008
    Messages:
    1,612
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    US
    Since I was responding to your statement that cops/military always use the best equipment available, I specifically countered that statement. So i don't think it's invalid at all.

    Glocks are the best bang for the buck, hence the following composed of the bourgeoisie peasants. If you got the money to feed and maintain a HK/Sig/1911, then the more power to ya. Glocks technical merits are pretty high up there, but i will admit they are ugly as fuck, and without some customizing, their grip angle kinda sucks too.

    The fact that people wanna shoot what the SEALs/Marines/Jack Bauer/Megaforce operators use, I think for a vast majority of people pistols are fashion statements. People generally just wanna buy guns that look cool, are used by their heros and don't put much though into the pistol's technical pros and cons and why exactly certain groups use certain pistols.

    The Berreta M9 vs the Sig P226 for adaption by the US Armed forces is a great example.
     
  18. Crossett

    Crossett New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2003
    Messages:
    13,472
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    In my mind
    That's interesting, I didnt know that M9's had that many issues.
     
  19. phrozenlikwid

    phrozenlikwid New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2007
    Messages:
    5,709
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    NKY
    I don't get why people put so much emphasis on what governmental agencies choose to issue. To me, it falls in line with the trend of everyone wanting to be Agent Hardass in their parents basements.
     
  20. johnson

    johnson New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2003
    Messages:
    38,412
    Likes Received:
    0
    Good testament to quality.
     
  21. phrozenlikwid

    phrozenlikwid New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2007
    Messages:
    5,709
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    NKY

    Maybe. I'll give you that most things chosen by the .mil type procurement tests are probably not going to be bottom of the barrel shit, but I hardly look at them to be the the end-all be-all of firearm evaluation.

    I mean really... You have a large scale organization which is buying guns based on a whole slew of things that the average user will never think about/need to think about (armorer training, parts logistics, manufacturing ability, ease of training, fitting women and perhaps spindly gay men, etc), all intertwined with a bunch of politics and at the hands of accountants, bureaucrats and other people that most of the gun owning community routinely swears at. There's simply way too much bullshit surrounding all that kinda stuff that I wouldn't use it as my sole barometer of purchasing decisions.

    A shame that competitive shooting has fallen wayside in influence (and thereby, money) to the rambo types IMO.
     
  22. Matt2000ss

    Matt2000ss OT Supporter

    Joined:
    Apr 5, 2002
    Messages:
    12,569
    Likes Received:
    42
    Location:
    Dallas, Tx
    because we all know the government always makes the best decisions..

    And i guess some of you guys have never been around people that actually make alot of these decisions. Its not always about what product is the best, its sometimes about what you can get from the vendor. You'd be amazed at the kinds of things vendors will do for someone to secure a contract.

    Point is, just because the heads of an agency chose it, doesnt mean its the best.
     
  23. ChipOnShoulder

    ChipOnShoulder New Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2008
    Messages:
    1,612
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    US
    Hookers and Blow?
    :bigthumb:
     
  24. Soybomb

    Soybomb New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2003
    Messages:
    9,041
    Likes Received:
    0
    Location:
    Illinois
    Is this really a foreign concept that just doesn't click? Nepotism, politics, and owed favors are part of any business and that includes our government.
     

Share This Page