How is this not on the first page? STEAM ANNOUNCED

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  1. Rage

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    The teasers have been around the last few days... official announcement now tho.

    http://store.steampowered.com/news/3569/


    Valve to Deliver Steam & Source on the Mac
    March 8, 2010, 11:15 am - Valve - Press Release

    Leading Gaming Service Expands to Mac Platform

    Valve announced today it will bring Steam, Valve's gaming service, and Source, Valve's gaming engine, to the Mac.

    Steam and Valve's library of games including Left 4 Dead 2, Team Fortress 2, Counter-Strike, Portal, and the Half-Life series will be available in April.

    "As we transition from entertainment as a product to entertainment as a service, customers and developers need open, high-quality Internet clients," said Gabe Newell, President of Valve. "The Mac is a great platform for entertainment services."

    "Our Steam partners, who are delivering over a thousand games to 25 million Steam clients, are very excited about adding support for the Mac," said Jason Holtman, Director of Business Development at Valve. "Steamworks for the Mac supports all of the Steamworks APIs, and we have added a new feature, called Steam Play, which allows customers who purchase the product for the Mac or Windows to play on the other platform free of charge. For example, Steam Play, in combination with the Steam Cloud, allows a gamer playing on their work PC to go home and pick up playing the same game at the same point on their home Mac. We expect most developers and publishers to take advantage of Steam Play."

    "We looked at a variety of methods to get our games onto the Mac and in the end decided to go with native versions rather than emulation," said John Cook, Director of Steam Development. "The inclusion of WebKit into Steam, and of OpenGL into Source gives us a lot of flexibility in how we move these technologies forward. We are treating the Mac as a tier-1 platform so all of our future games will release simultaneously on Windows, Mac, and the Xbox 360. Updates for the Mac will be available simultaneously with the Windows updates. Furthermore, Mac and Windows players will be part of the same multiplayer universe, sharing servers, lobbies, and so forth. We fully support a heterogeneous mix of servers and clients. The first Mac Steam client will be the new generation currently in beta testing on Windows."

    Portal 2 will be Valve's first simultaneous release for Mac and Windows. "Checking in code produces a PC build and Mac build at the same time, automatically, so the two platforms are perfectly in lock-step," said Josh Weier, Portal 2 Project Lead. "We're always playing a native version on the Mac right alongside the PC. This makes it very easy for us and for anyone using Source to do game development for the Mac."

    Support for the Mac in Source and Steamworks is available to third parties immediately. Interested developers should contact Jason Holtman at [email protected].
     
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    Not into computer games.
     
  4. Raider007

    Raider007 om nom nom nom

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    hate to say it but...

    we mac users get a lot of crap about "no games on the mac :rofl: :rofl:" but in all honesty, i've yet to meet a mac person that wants to play games on their computer... everyone i know prefers consoles, and in all honesty, i have 1 friend that plays pc games, and that's for WOW and other mmorpg's...
     
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    every once in a while ill bootcamp and play a couple rounds of starcraft or something, but other than that i agree.... no one i know with a mac cares about games.
     
  6. tenplanescrashing

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    console games > PC games

    I may be old school, but console games + console controllers are worlds easier to use than a keyboard and mouse.
     
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    I used to be a PC gamer, but then a reailization set it...
    I can buy a console and it'll last me 3-5 years and the graphics and game play get better as the system ages...

    or I can constantly have to buy a new cpu and graphics card every 12-18 months to get the best graphics and experience...

    I enjoy gaming don't get me wrong, but a constant update cycle just to be able to play a game... no thanks...
     
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    This sounds fun for me. While I was deployed and only had my iMac, I couldn't get CS:S to work on my bootcamp partition. TF2 worked flawlessly, but not CS:S. Now I have almost no need for Windows, especially since WoW plays on Macs. :big grin:
     
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    You're out of your mind. I'd go up against anyone in any FPS-- them with a console controller and me with a keyboard and mouse.

    Keyboard and mouse are worlds better for any FPS than a console controller.
     
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    I disagree with that. With a console, you're stuck with a certain hardware set. You can't upgrade your graphics-- you can only get whatever developers can squeeze out of it.

    With a PC, you don't HAVE to upgrade. You aren't required to upgrade every 18 months or less. Maybe if you have to have the absolute best graphics out there you could spend the money. But it isn't required just to play new games as they come out. The last PC I built was 1.7ghz. I used it regularly for almost ten years. I upgraded the video card halfway thorugh that ten years. I was still able to play just about any game out. Granted I couldn't crank it all the way up, but with midrange settings it still looked really good. Comparable to any console out at the time, sometimes better. Back in the day you had to upgrade to play certain games. Nowadays games haven't even caught up to what the hardware can handle, not counting Crysis.
     
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    here's my counter to that...

    I bought my PS3 within a couple months of launch, which was... what 3 years ago... and so far, for my $500 my graphics and game play experience have gotten better... I know I'm getting the best experience the developer programed...

    but what your're telling me, is that my 3 year old computer could play current games at max resolution without any issues and I'm seeing the best the developer could make? that my graphics card and cpu from 3 years ago can give me the best experience possible without me having to upgrade... as you say... i can "crank everything up"

    examples: will your 3 year old system run StarCraft II at it's fullest potential with everything maxed? or Modern Warfare II? I'm pretty sure my PS3 will run FFXIII at it's best, and MWII, and Uncharted 2, and Gran Turismo 5, and and and and...
     
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    I really don't see why so many people see this as such big news.

    With the option to Boot Camp this barely registers as interesting to me.
     
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    please, native games is way better than bootcamp - and it is about time that people stopped using wine etc :ugh:
     
  15. Noel

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    This is completely irrelevant since no one on a console would ever have to play someone with a keyboard/mouse in the first place.

    It's like saying an airplane would beat any car in a race
     
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    I thought the whole point of boot camp was that it WAS native?

    Im no engineer, so if thats not the case then what is the point of bootcamp at all?
     
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    I never said it wasn't... i said native MAC games are good. ie: not requiring a windows licence, not requiring a reboot. etc etc. and it is about time that they started doing it - developers have been promising it since macs went intel but very few have actually been made.
     
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    Well of course. You're not going to play Modern Warfare with an Atari controller...you need the right tools for the job. But that's all PC games are...FPS. Plus, there is a huge learning curve. I can't play better with a keyboard + mouse than someone with a console controller because it just isn't intuitive. Console controllers, anyone can pick one up and play.

    Sorry, but this gamer dork nation movement is fucking stupid. You build a $1-2k game rig to play a $60 game? :rofl:
     
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    games = waste of time

    read a book or study something worthwhile, volunteer in your community, fuck sitting for hours behind a screen to fake kill something
     
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  21. Rage

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    Where did I say that you could crank up the graphics on your three year old computer? I said that with a console, you're stuck with what they give you. With a PC, you have the OPTION of going balls out and spending the money so you can crank it up to a ton better graphics than the console can give you. Or you can just play middle of the road and sometimes STILL have better graphics than the console can give you. I had a computer that outlasted the PS1 and PS2 and I was still able to play new games with some cheap upgrades. PC wise, the software hasn't caught up to the hardware.

    Plus, have you ever see the side by side comparison shots of PS3 vs. 360? 360 wins hands down. But my point is with a console you're stuck with what they give you. PC, you have the option to upgrade if you want to and in some cases a PC with minimal upgrades will last longer than a console.

    I remember plugging a USB keyboard and mouse into a PS2 to play first person shooters with a friend. :dunno: I've converted so many people in the "mouse/keyboard is better than console controller for FPS and some other genres" argument.

    PCs also have better RTS games. Those are hell with a console controller. WoW would be hell on a console too.

    Please explain to me how having four buttons for movement (one for each finger using the left hand), a mouse that controls where your looking, two buttons to fire, and a wheel to cycle weapons, on two devices that people are used to using on a regular basis anyway, is LESS intuitive than than a controller with buttons in places that people aren't used to and having to use your thumbs simultaneously to make somewhat precise movements? I trust my hands more with precise movements more than I do the tips of my thumbs.

    With certain genres, the caliber of player using a keyboard and mouse will be hands down better than the player using a console controller.
     
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    Are you 18? Have you ever used an xbox/ps3 controller? Less intuitive? Just stop there because you're obviously too young or too retarded to hold yourself up in this conversation.

    But you're missing the point...WoW is a fucking nerd game. Yes, it requires a keyboard + mouse combo for better play. Consoles offer more games, different games, just as good of graphics and being "stuck" is absolutely irrelevant because the games are made for the hardware.

    Sure, having a PC that you can go balls out on would be ideal because you can always upgrade, but that's the problem...you HAVE to upgrade if you want to keep up with the other l33t gamers out there. The dorks who never leave their houses and jerk off to anime porn.

    But go ahead, build your gaming rid, enjoy your refresh rate and earn those badges buddy, you deserve them!
     
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    Quoted since you missed it the first time.

    Also, Steam did not support bootcamp installations of their software. If it wasn't on a PC, they didn't care about it. It's a nice step in the right direction.
     
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    that's EXACTLY what I mean.. it'll be an OPTION to see the best that the game developers do and if I want the best of the best, I'll be having to upgrade all the time...

    where as on a console 3 years, 4 years, 5 years down the line, the it's the BEST that the developers can do all the time... I don't have to upgrade anything, and the console, graphics, experience is better the older the system gets... I'm going balls out from day 1 till a new console is released...

    and how did you manage to toss in a ps3 vs 360 debate? not sure what that has to do with anything...
     

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