SRS How do you determine what's right and what's wrong v. 11ty

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  1. EYOB

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    By popular vote or from persons of greater intelligence.

    EDIT: I'm not talking about yourself. I'm talking about dealing with multiple people.
     
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  2. TwistedMind

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    I tend to go by the law of the land until that law infringes upon my rights as I view them.

    Our elected officials make the laws, we elected them so if I don't like what they are doing I elect someone else.

    Now if I lived in some primitive society or there was no society such as after a nuclear or Zombie attack I would revert to Darwinism.

    I think I would personally prosper in the latter social structure, not so much in the former, every time I vote to change my elected officials I get over ruled by all the people seeking proactive government.

    I prefer a reactive government.
     
  3. EYOB

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    Your situation sounds complicated, as if there is no definitive answer on how to determine right and wrong. If that is the case, is it safe to assume that the concept of right and wrong is always evolving and is never static ??
     
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    well, you wont like it if someone stole from you....so this tells you that others wont like it either, it gives you the sense that its wrong.
     
  5. EYOB

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    So you choose the latter choice of the two options in my first post ??
     
  6. Sloi

    Sloi Back up in your ass with the resurrection

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    I generally go by what's popularly referred to as the Golden Rule.
     
  7. EYOB

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    Like the poster before you, I would assume that you have also chosen the latter approach, you being that greater intelligence. or am I stretching it ??
     
  8. TheNonSequitur

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    You need to clarify what you mean by right and wrong...good and evil, correct and incorrect?

    Also, those are not the only two options...popular vote or smartest guy.
     
  9. EYOB

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    What are the other options ?? And I mean all those things.
     
  10. blackbirdbeatle

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    Yes this. Morals, ethics, right and wrong, whatever. It changes between people and societies and over time. The law is nothing more than the application of what a society feels is right and wrong that that time. Even within the law there are degrees of right and wrong as evident in discretion given to judges, what cops use for many minor crimes, arbitration, etc...
     
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    Well, it's never the smartest guy that makes the rules. Usually it's a group of people in gov't (And in the US they are pressured all the time from lobby groups and powerful individuals) or a biased judge that sets precedent or something. It's never some Plato ideal of the smartest people making the rules. Not that judges aren't smart.
     
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    EX: when I need to get somewhere and I am lost...how do I know which is the correct way to go and the incorrect way? I usually use reason and a scientific guess.
     
  13. EYOB

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    My main point is in dealing with other people. You both use reason and scientific guess, but you both have different answers....
     
  14. EYOB

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    Instead of saying what it's not, could you tell me what it is ??
     
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    What what isn't? Right and wrong? I already said it's not universal and it depends on where you live, when you live, etc... and if you mean the other options I literally just wrote it in the post you quoted. Are you screwing with me?
     
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    I think the popular vote is determined in a way by the smartest guys....

    I think hegemonic discourse about what is right and wrong is dictated by the "elite" which can comprise of those we would consider intelligent or not.

    The answer that makes the most sense to me is both since right and wrong tends to be based on emotional reaction, rather than intelligence. More people have access to this than being considered "intelligent".
     
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    I wouldn't ever allow somebody else to tell me what was right or wrong. The only exception I can think of is if somebody else pretty much knew everything and was vastly smarter than me. Nobody like that exists though.

    The idea of morality based on voting is insanity to me though.
     
  18. OniMinion

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    Don't we allow "somebody else" to tell us what is right and wrong everyday with our laws and guidelines?
     
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    OniMinion ...recalls when this forum was actually about cars OT Supporter

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    I know my dog follows this. That was the key to training him on what is ok, and what isn't. The training took place through various positive reinforcement practices.
     
  20. campn87

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    whoa - are we reducing morality to a matter of Pavlovian conditioning?

    (wiggles)
     
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    OniMinion ...recalls when this forum was actually about cars OT Supporter

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    Ya
     
  22. METALLlC BLUE

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    My view of right and wrong is dependent on what serves me. In my opinion right and wrong don't exist independently of whoever is judging what serves them. People who commit crimes ultimately -- at the bottom level, believe that what they're doing is "right" - at least for their own interests. Even when they know it's wrong based on standards of society.

    That's just my view.
     
  23. EYOB

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    Why is this thread here ??
     
  24. Mugatu

    Mugatu Ask me about market research. OT Supporter

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    Well I don't know if there's a sure fire way to do it but I just try to reason, keeping in mind that I am biased just like everyone else and will naturally look to filter data that supports what I already believe in.
     
  25. disley

    disley Ooooh no it isn't. Ooooh yes it is. OT Supporter

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    Knowing what's right and what's wrong comes naturally to most of us.

    Then there's politicians.

    It's to complex a question to answer easily.
     

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