Discussion in 'Fitness & Nutrition' started by karkez23, May 8, 2009.
2403 cals 88 fat 197 carbs 205 protein
im 5'9 160 trying to bulk
more calories more proteen
Ratios look good, but you need more of everything.
Stop obsessing over macros and just eat and lift.
Well I wouldn't necessarily say stop "obsessing," but stop obsessing over specifics and get good, dense calories in and lift.
He counted down to the exact calorie: 2403. Like that extra "3" is going to make a big difference. OCD, maybe?
But I agree, get some whole foods in ya and lift.
Probably using fitday.com which I'd reccomend.
At least he know's where he's at. Too many 'hardgainers' assume they eat everything when they're hardly eating enough. The opposite for those with 'slow metabolisms'.
I consider myself a 'hardgainer' but I've been maintaining 182 @ 2500 cals/day budget. When you (horse/timber) say a "whole lot more", how much more in calories are you thinking of??
If I was 5'9 160 I'd probably start around 2800-3000 cals and see where that gets me, then make adjustments from there...everyone is different though. Excess fat gain is usually nothing to worry about at that calorie level, so I think it would be a good starting point.
Pretty much what Horse said.
I lose weight though slowly even at 2700. At least if I'm over 180lbs.
Everything i've read about true hardgainers (including on the John Berardi website) recommend to START 18-24 x weight in calories.
and like said in the other gain thread - i wasn't putting on weight until i was eating 4,000 a day
i thought i was eating a lot at 3,200...
that being siad, i've also lost 2.5 lbs this week reducing from 4,300 cals to 3,500. gone from 600g+ of carbs to 300
not sure if that's possible, or it makes sense. But, i haven't been increasing cardio :S
Yeah, but you're metabolically "different" than most others at that bodyfat level.