MIL How come people are so lazy?

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  1. Casino

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    Since the beginning of this school year, our ROTC program has had 3 people sign up and drop out, plus 2 that are in right now are going to drop out soon, so that's 5 people in a little over a semester. They drop out because they can't handle the PT and the waking up at 5:20 plus all the other shit. How is it that hard for some people? It just takes a little discipline. I don't think PT is that hard, but everyone else does. We usually do it 3-4 times a week, each time something different. One day might be a 6 mile run plus push ups and sit ups. Next day would be 45 minutes of sprints/hills, then the weight room, another day could be stairs for awhile. Each PT session is about 1hr 30 min. It sucks at first but once you work on it and get in shape, it's routine. How does that compare to other ROTC programs?
     
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    a lot of our drops from AFROTC are based off of things from the cadre. while they may suck ass at PT or whatever, they are ultimately dropped and not quitting.
    and since im in the semester gearing up for field training, they're not giving us an option to even quit. if we fuck up too bad, they drop us, plain and simple since theres too many people fighting for too few spots. sucks because i may be on the drop list in the near future due to a monstrous fuckup today while marching. :sadwavey:
     
  3. pmoney

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    what did you do? and you can be dropped from the whole program because of one thing ? :ugh::ugh:
     
  4. burn__

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    got flustered shouting commands and basically got my flight stuck between some cars :rofl:.

    made the entire lead lab class wait because i couldnt figure out how to get my flight un-stuck and in the building. got a good 15min verbal ass-raping in front of the entire det.

    and i wouldnt be 'dropped' from rotc for this, but i could lose my FT slot which means id end up being a 2nd year 3rd class cadet and with my masters program the way it is, itd be impossible for me to finish rotc.
     
  5. A small percent of America is actually qualified to participate in the Military. An even smaller percent of that small percent is willing. Not everyone wants to wake up at 0520 and go run 6 miles in the cold. Not everyone wants to run. Waking up that early also gets in the way of your studies some times. Some people are lazy, others interests lay in different areas.

    I think what you want to hear is you're special. So here, you're special : )
     
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    LoL, everyone I know is like why would you join the military you have to get up at 5 in the morning and my only response is :ugh:
     
  7. NEp8ntballer

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    that's fucking stupid. I had some people that sucked ass at some stuff in my flight but they still graduated. plus from what I've experienced with FTP classes from three years of observation we normally lose a decent amount of people. We started with over 20 in my FTP flight and then from the first day of fall to the end of the summer we lost: 1 cadet from getting too many MIPs in high school, another cadet didn't get a slot because he didn't meet the attendance standards, a couple voluntarily quit, one cadet with a slot got DQ'd because after digging through his med records they found out he had childhood asthma. We ended the school year with 13 and 12 came back as POC.

    The current class started off with about 18-20 and they are hovering in the low teens.

    The class before me started about 20 and lost about 5.

    They don't need to give people the boot. Enough people should eliminate themselves.

    FT slots are hardly competetive too btw. For the class before me and my class if you can pass the PFT you got an FT slot.

    at FT we had the flight commander try and take us to the wrong dorms, recognize his mistake and say somewhat loudly, "shit." He got middle third.
     
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    I didn't like ROTC for that reason, only a handful of people really seemed to be dedicated to it and they were mostly juniors and seniors. At least it acts as a filter before those type sign a real contract :dunno:
     
  9. Gaunt

    Gaunt blood for the blood god OT Supporter

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    our ms1/2 only have hour long pt MWF and we have 60/70 people show normally its all about retention the first two years

    ms3 year is 1h30m only cause they need to get the standards up to above a 270 averageeven then they only do MWF

    the 1/2 tthey are in a seperate company and get to do all the cool stuff which tries to keep as many as possible, then 3s are basically doing stx every lab to prepare for WF. its a far better system for retaning people in the program. my freshman year we had 15 2lt commission 4 years later my class will have 28 commission. our goal from brigade is to have 36 commission 2 years from now then 40 the next.
     
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    Gaunt blood for the blood god OT Supporter

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    jesus christ you need to come over to the green the least we could care about is how you march. though the only thing we do see the AF cadets ever do is march around, which seems pointless
     
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    all air force fallacy is based on the slippery slope. supposedly if you can't maintain your dress and cover when marching, there's no fucking way in hell you can keep an aircraft in formation. Besides, marching and death by powerpoint is the extent of AFROTC leadership labs with the occasional group leadership project tossed in for good measure. it's not like they can teach us about tactics, 9 lines, or other stuff of a truly military nature. On the POC side we get to have ethics debates where people get to voice their ignorance.

    example of ethics debate: It covered the four man SEAL team that had the choice of either offing three Afghani goat herders or letting them go because they didn't have anything to restrain them. The question was if you would kill the herders or if you would let them go. If this sounds familiar the only guy from the team that survived wrote a book titled "Lone Survivor." We start conversing about whether or not people would kill the herders. One guy says, "The SEALs should have been better than that. They got discovered by some goat herders. How hard is it to hide from a goat herder?" I couldn't believe it. He even went so far as to go back to that point later and call the SEALS "Stupid because they couldn't keep from being detected by the goat herders."
     
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    picard.jpg The only people intitled to a fucking opinion about that are people who ACTUALLY have done RECON. There is a reason that dude is in a fucking ethics class and not out in the field, "Snoopin and Poopin'". Sorry, I know I've never even completed basic yet, but fuck, just common respect tells you not to say that those men were "Stupid". :hs:
     
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    im wanting to look back into the army. quickly realizing the AF isnt really where i want to be.
     
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    :rofl: god do i hate powerpoint already.
     
  15. NEp8ntballer

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    A former security forces troop said it best but not loud enough for the moron to hear him, "I'd like to see him go to Norfolk and say that."
     
  16. MadEmperor

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    6 mile runs and you wonder why people stop going? lol, I own a car so don't have to run 6 miles (ib 6 mile run next drill :mamoru: :wtc: )
     
  17. Jonathan77

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    I agree with you 99.9999999%. Not everyone is cut out for wanting to be willingly a part of the Military just like not everyone is cut out to be a Geo-Physicist, Lawyer, or an Electrical Engineer(to name a few). Military is just another profession that falls under who makes the cut and who does not just like a potential medical student thinking they can make it into 1st year Med school only to find out he doesn't have what it takes. Personally I would not go so far as to say it's "Special". It's just another something a person is good at and just like every profession in this world their are trials and tests which weed out the dedicated from the undedicated. "Special"? Far Far Far from it. Example. No matter what job you have in corporate America, you do not get bunched up with people who do not have at least some of the skills you possess. Military is no differernt.
     
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    i dropped out of rotc in college :mamoru:

    wasn't the pt or LLabs or anything, I just hated the culture and politics
     
  19. I was being a dick when I said the special part. Purely sarcasm.
     
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  21. thaats what they allll say
     
  22. raand

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    you have to really mess up to get kicked from Army ROTC they need officers to badly. The problem is some people join on day one freshman year and then realize the time commitment, that they cannot be a lazy fat drunk like and that then they quit when it gets tough, that is just how it is, let them go your program is better off without the quitters anyway.
     
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    Question for Army ROTCers. Do you get a stipend? How does housing work?
     
  24. Gaunt

    Gaunt blood for the blood god OT Supporter

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    its 300 for ms1 and additional $50 every year ms4 get $500 and $600 a semester for books

    if you are scholarship you have 2 options they pay for 100% of tution or they give you 3,666 a semester for room and board
     
  25. wtf i dont get room and board
     

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