How can I simulate High-altitude training?

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  1. metallikatz56

    metallikatz56 New Member

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    I live in NJ, relatively close to sea level. I'm taking a trip to the Peruvian Andes and Brazil in a few months, and would like to adapt to the high (15,000 foot +) altitudes beforehand. There will be lots of intense hiking with loaded packs, and I don't want to have to stop frequently. I've researched hypoxic training, but most of the equipment is far too expensive. Any cost-effective suggestions?
     
  2. Mac Daddy

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    umm you dont need special training.
     
  3. Grouch

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    :ugh:
     
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    Thanks for your input. Now STFU.
     
  6. Grouch

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    Pick up smoking before you go?

    I have no idea. Nothing i can think of without some sort of makeshift contraption over your head.
     
  7. Mac Daddy

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    listen as long as your in shape it wont be a problem. might take getting used to but you should be fine.
     
  8. dieslow

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    I can't think of anything that you add to specifically simulate less oxygen available to your body. But one thing you could do is try to increase your work capacity - which would help your body use oxygen more efficiently. Sled dragging, jogging with a punching bag on your shoulders, car pushing etc. Something that requires power but is still an endurance move.

    Honestly, I'm reaching but it couldn't hurt.
     
  9. Grouch

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    maybe a adding a weighted vest in your normal activity.
     
  10. dieslow

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    Another viable option - but they are kinda pricey.
     
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    :rofl: :rofl: you realize he'll be at one of the highest altitude in the WORLD? do u know the pO2 is at that altitude? ever hear of mountain sickness?

    in any case, i suggest going there a week early or so to acclimate, if thats not possible, reduce your hiking.
     
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    there are specialized tents that athletes and mountaineers use, the cheapest i could find was $340. sorry bro.
     
  13. Mac Daddy

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    Oh didn't know the altitude was that high. I know that it takes time to accumulate to the low oxygen level at k2 and Everest but didn't know he was going that high. Still if he's in good shape he might need some time to get used to it but I don't think it will be that much of a problem.
     
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    Rent a plane, put a treadmill in it.

    ftw.
     
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    treadmill wont run if plane goes opposite direction of the belt
     
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    Back when I used to race mountain bikes; I know pro's would go up to some places in Colorado to train at the high elevations before a race, for a couple weeks or so.

    That probably isn't really possible for the average person I guess. :dunno:
     
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    that shit was confusing, I still wanna know the answer to it. I'm gonna email mythbusters on it
     
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    you can get high altitude simulating pods that you sleep in....supposedly very close to actually training in a high altitude area.
     
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    EPO and blood doping are really the only ways to increase the hemoglobin content that quickly without altitude training
     
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    I was gonna do the Manali->Leh run by bicycle, so I've done the research on this. Amoebic dysentary kicked my ass and I never did make the run.

    Cost effective, there is nothing you can do except hike with a heavy pack in Jersey, up and down hills, and be in good shape when you get there. You can simulate this by busting your ass uphill on a treadmill, or whatever. When you do get there you are going to need time to adapt to the altitude, or you are going to struggle. Being in good shape when you get there will help, but there's no shortcut for adaptation to altitude. Get to a high altitude a few days early, and sit on your ass. Thats the only way.

    Except for EPO. But you don't want to go there.

    You will probably experience AMS. Bring the recommended drugs for it. Will you be sleeping at altitude?
     
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    Hold your breath.:dunno:
     
  22. Skeletor

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    try breathing through a large straw whilst walking long distance.
     
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    Holding your breath, etc. won't work because at altitude you can still expel CO2, you just don't get enough O2. Simulating that is harder. The only thing you can do is bust your ass that much harder at sea level and then at least partially adapt when you get there. I can't stress enough that if you are spending alot of time at high altitudes, then you need to plan on getting there a few days (a week) in advance and sit your ass at altitude and adapt. If this means changing your tickets and costs you money, so be it. Its worth it so that you can enjoy the rest of your trip.

    One thing though: life-threatening AMS (Acute Mountain Sickness) is not really associated with being out of shape. In fact, its sometimes thought to occur more frequently in athletes. So if you're going to get AMS, you're gonna get it. The only way to prevent this is to acclimatize slowly. But assuming your AMS symptoms aren't severe, being in kick ass sea-level shape will help you pull your ass up them hills.

    There's a REALLY good paper on AMS around some place. I'll see if I can find it.
     
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    Mucho Expensivo, Gringo!
     
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