GUN Hornady Lock-N-Load AP vs Dillion RL 500B *pole*

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  1. Hornady LnL AP

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  1. johnson

    johnson New Member

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    My friend and I will be going half and half on a reloading setup. Which one do you have and why? Ive read that the Hornady offers more value and is cheaper and faster to get different dies. Ive seen videos on how both work and it looks like a straight forward process. I only shoot maybe 200rds of 9mm a month right now because it's too expensive. This year Hornady is offering 1000 free bullets again

    http://www.hornady.com/media/get_loaded_again.pdf

    I only plan on reloading 5 calibers at most (9mm mainly, .223, maybe 10mm, .45ACP, and .308WIN).

    Havent read anything bad about either company and their warranty so I think that's a mute point.
     
  2. GlobeGuy

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    I have Hornady LnL. It has an ejection issues with 9mm but I just remove the ejection wire and pop the round off manually. Doesn't add too much time, if at all, to a round being completed.

    I have seen Dillon 550's ejection system fail on youtube (one of those how to reload videos), not sure what cailber it was.

    edit: What is your budget? How much value do you place in auto indexing? 550 does not auto index.
     
  3. johnson

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    I think the auto indexing is nice but ive never reloaded before. Plenty of people have the 550B and don't seem to mind so I don't think I would either. Budget is probably $600 plus a tumbler, digital scale, and digital caliper.

    This is from Brian Enos website.
    http://www.brianenos.com/pages/dillon.html#which

    RFP: (Recommended First Purchase)
    $395.95 - Base Price
    $58.95 - Dies - (Ordered separately)
    $38.95 - Roller Handle, Aluminum
    $41.95 - Strong Mount (fits 550 and 650)
    $36.95 - Bullet Tray
    $21.95 - Empty Case Bin and Bracket
    • (The four Machine Options above are in my Online Store as Brian's "As It Should BE" Upgrade, for $134.19.)
    $589.09 – RFP Total (with "BE Upgrade")
     
  4. GlobeGuy

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    Is a roller handle, really a necessity? Bullet Tray? empty case bin and bracket? I just started 3 months ago, and I'm doing fine without those. A good electronic digital scale is expensive, compared to beam type.

    Things I would add to your shopping list:
    1. a weight set to double check your scale
    2. case gage for every cartridge you are going to reload for
    3. Bullet puller (you WILL make a mistake), I have a collet type that fits into a press. More expensive than hammer type but I think it's worth it.
    4. Case lube, I use hornady one shot. Some people hate this lube for rifle reloading.
    5. Case and media separator. There's one with a cover so that you dont' have to worry about inhaling any dust from you cleaned case. (This is on my to buy list).
     
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    I run a 550 and a 650. I can't say enough good stuff about dillon. The people who man the phones will answer all your noob and advanced reloading questions, they know their stuff. If you ever break anything, or even feel a part is begining to get worn out they will ship you a replacement on their dime, no questions asked. Dillon also supports shooting sports with prizes for the prize table at every match I've been to. If you pull some dillon swag from the prize table but don't need it they will swap it out for something of equal $$$ value or give you give you said credit.

    That being said If you can afford it get the 650. You will not regret it. The 550 is fine too but the 650 is a all around faster machine.
     
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    I have my complete setup for sale. Barely used and well within your budget. Dillon 550, tumbler, bullet puller, calipers, scale, 9mm dies and 9mm case checker.
     
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    I have a Dillon 550 and would highly recommend a Dillon just because of the service. If Dillon made a car, I would buy it.
     
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    I know on the new I come off as a flaming equipment snob but everyone I know (like 100's of competition shooters) all use dillon reloaders. There was one guy who had a LnL and he doesn't shoot anymore.
     
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    Did it cut off his hands or something? :rofl:

    I dont compete though.
     
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    got aim?

    aimjohnson84
     
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    Naw he just really felt left out when we got all geeky with our reloading talk.
     
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    Damnit! Does this mean my shooting days are numbered? :(
     
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    How much would it cost to load 1000 rds of 9mm with the current prices on supply? Store bought, not bought in bulk.

    And what brands of stuff do I go buy tomorrow?
     
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    Not if you get some dillon
     
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    I'm not sure if you are goign to save much when store bought...I buy in bulk and I do $10.04 per 100 for FMJ.
     
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    depends on components and for what calibers. Really in the future you need to start thinking in bulk.

    For 9mm get whatever jacketed or plated bullets you can get cheap. I like the rainer for plated but there is a trick to loading them. You need to find that magical fps. Out of my guns the 124's like to be around 1150 -1200 fps. It's scary at 25 yards I can make a 10 shot group touch (freehand). For jacket I like the speer/atk 124's

    For 40 I like the 180 grain baer creek molly bullets. For economy molly bullets shoot really well. Again there is a trick to loading them. It's all in the crimp with molly, you want the tightest crimp you can get without breaking the molly coating. You'll want to really dial it in and check with your bullet puller.

    I don't really like naked lead. It mokes too much and goo builds up in your dies. Not worth the trouble.

    For 223 I use whatever jacketed 55's I can get cheap (short range under 200 yards). I don't like the copper washed bullets, they really foul your rifling. I've had good luck with the hornady 55's. For long range I like 62, 65, 69, 75, or 77 grain jacketed (whatever I can get cheap). For the price my bullet of choice is the 69 grain serria match king, though the 65 serria game king works fine too (and often on sale).

    For a all around pistol powder I like tite group. Very versatile. Primers I use winchester.

    buying in bulk and picking up brass I can load 9mm at $80/1000, 40 for $120/1000, 223 55's for $150/1000, 69's for $200/1000 these are off the top of the head numbers with current prices
     
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    Specific model of powder and primer? They have a few different ones.
     
  22. yar1182

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    pistol Hodgdon tite group - winchester small pistol primer

    rifle aa2520 or varget - winchester small rifle primers

    you might as well learn the terminology. don't ask for what people use powder or primers. Get their load data

    ex. "Yar what's your load for 9mm?"

    "4.7 grains tightgroup behind a 124 fmj, 1.150 oal, w/ a winchester primer. Does 1200 fps in a 5 inch barrel"

    "thanks yar your kung fu is most ill"
     

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