Hormones & anti biotics in non-organic meat

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  1. Jam_Master_J

    Jam_Master_J New Member

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    Anyone got and valid sources for studies done on the legitamacy of claims that non-organic meat can be detrimental to the health of the person consuming them?

    Likewise, anyone got anything on non-organic vegetables??
     
  2. RollinDollos

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    Free range is mad expensive.
     
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    Jonny Bowden, Ph.D., CNS

    Q: I was in the organic store the other day and they were trumpeting how ground beef in the grocery store usually has the DNA of 1,000 different cows in it, while farm-raised organic stuff is often from one cow. Should I care?

    A: You should care very much, but probably for slightly different reasons.
    Ground beef in the grocery store inevitably comes from what we call "feedlot farms." These places are basically factories, and they bear as much resemblance to the old country farms of our childhood as a cheap Casio keyboard does to a handmade Steinway grand piano.
    Cows on these "farms" are production machines for meat and milk. They're fed grain, which isn't their natural diet, and which causes great acidity in their systems. This produces "meat product" that's very high in inflammatory omega-6's and woefully lacking in omega-3's.
    They're kept in confined pens and fed antibiotics to prevent the sickness that inevitably arises from the close quarters. They're fed steroids and "bovine growth hormone" to help fatten them up. Then they're "processed." Whether the end product — the meat that winds up on your plate — has the DNA of 1,000 cows in it or not, it's not something you should be eating.
    Grass-fed meat is a whole different ballgame. Cows were meant to graze on pasture —their natural diet is grass, and when they roam on pasture and graze on grass their meat is higher in omega-3's and CLA (conjugated linolenic acid), an important fat that has anti-cancer activity and may also help reduce abdominal fat. Since the cattle aren't in confined quarters and they're not eating primarily grains, they don't get sick as much and aren't fed massive quantities of antibiotics.
    Now, "organic" meat is somewhere in between the two extremes. It usually means the cows were fed organic grain, which is only a minor improvement since cows shouldn't be eating a diet of grain in the first place.
    While the perception is that organically raised meat is better than non-organic meat, it's still not nearly as good as grass-fed (pasture raised). Sometimes grass-fed meat is also organic, but some very conscientious farmers who raise real, healthy, pasture-grazing cows don't meet some obscure government standard for organic so they're not able to say their meat is "organic."
    I wouldn't worry about it. Given a choice, I'd go with grass-fed over organic every time, though in the best of all worlds, you'd get both.
    For what it's worth, every study you've ever seen that talks about the bad health consequences of meat eating is looking at people who eat highly processed meat from factory farms. It would be very interesting to see if there are the same negative consequences to eating a diet of grass-fed (organic) beef with plenty of vegetables to balance it out.
    No study like that has ever been done, but my hunch is that if people ate that way, the so-called "negative" health effects ascribed to eating meat would disappear.

    http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_...raining_performance_nutrition/dirty_nutrition
     
  4. RollinDollos

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    Aside from that article.

    Apparently hormones and steroids in "normal" meats are breeding grounds for free radicals which are responsible for the manifestation of every disease there is. On top of that there is extra cortisol from the stress of animals being packed into cages with no elbow room, their adrenal glands are activated 24/7 therefore eating them will now have a negative effect on your thyroid.

    I myself buy the regular chicken and meat and I will continue to until I drive 6 porches and a lambo and have enough money to drop 500 dollars a week at Gelson's. Tell your immune system to man the fuck up.
     
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    and don't forget to take your vitamins.
     
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    Free Radicals eh? :rolleyes:
     
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    Organic and free range shit is so fucking expensive. Fuck that gimme my caged up chicken w/ roids.
     
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    they have been saying that a lot lately about milk too
     
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    Even if it's not bad for you, it's still fuckin gross
     
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    Other components found in raw cow's milk are living white blood cells, Mammary-gland cells, various bacteria, and a large number of active enzymes.[5]
     
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    Raw milk is supposed to be awesome. :o
     
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    It tastes really good too.
     
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    el es dee ...through a cloud of chalk and the midst of pain.

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    :rofl:

    I agree, but I've had some free-range cuts of beef before and fuuuuuuuuuuck that shit was gooooood

    I didn't really notice a difference in taste with the free-range chicken though.
     
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    Is that a bad thing?
     
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    Grass fed beef is great.
     
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    It's actually the opposite problem. Eating an industrialized diet generally contributes to having an overly active immune system which causes autoimmune disorders like collitus, asthma, arthritis, etc...in addition to cancer.

    bovine growth hormone for milk production
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_somatotropin
    http://www.preventcancer.com/consumers/general/milk.htm

    Good definitions for all teh labels (organic/grassfed/natural, etc.)
    http://www.fourhourworkweek.com/blo...-all-natural-grass-fed-and-other-half-truths/

    Grass fed beef generally does not require antibiotics. Feeding cows grain increases acid in the stomach, ulcers, ecoli, etc. which is is the reason for all the antibiotics.

    Apart from the reduced fat and increases cla, grass fed beef is also more nutritionally dense.
     
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    grass fed will have a different taste, generally better.

    Most of steaks I eat will be only grain fed for a certain number of days prior to slaughter to fatten up.
     
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