Discussion in 'OT Technology' started by Doomsday, May 5, 2008.
the thread with the dell vs build your own debates.
i wasn't done reading that
/build own (even if you have to ask doom a million questions about processors and sockets since its been a bit since you built one)
Huh. I'm surprised it got deleted. They could have just locked it.
It was certainly good for some amusement.
Im in the Navy and we have a Dell contract so i deal with their shit daily, so i get to Dell bash alot. it makes me happy.
dell bashing=favorite hobby
have you read that thread?
cliffs of what I remember:
- oter ask for advice for a basic, cheap pc for a parent (or relative)
- P07 suggested a build
- someone suggested a Dell deal
- P07 called them morons
- pissing contest ensues
- someone posted a pic of his garage for some reason
I only read the short posts (a habit of mine) and was able to participate in the last part, but I missed the pissing contest.
i only got blurbs. sometimes i just skim, guilty as charged.
-> wasnt it morans he has been using lately?
The threadstarter deleted it.
yes, but you could still post screen shots
ah. i sees
Huh. Go figure.
I mean, he was getting such good advice in there and all.
I'd complain more, but their servers are pretty solid. We have a bunch of Dell laptops too, but they're all so new they haven't had any problems yet.
We have strictly bought dell at work for years. Probably 30 desktops and 20 laptops if I had to take a guess. MAybe 2% of those have had any problems at all. And none of those problems were really severe. That's pretty good odds to me.
I wouldn't use Dell myself becasue I like to configure and build machines that are made up of parts I choose but when I get old and just don't care anymore I would consider dell over the other "major" manufacturers (gateway, hp/compaq, etc.)
If dell was that horrible, I just can't image that they would still be in business.
Two words, my friend: Support Contracts.
so, yeah... that thread was probably deleted because he got all of the useful info that he could get and it just ended up with everyone arguing with pothead again.
to be honest, I got no beef with Dell servers, laptops, and some of their low-end machines. I'd probably consider one as long as the price is good.
but as an enthusiast,... my hate is directed towards their performance and gaming desktops.
it's either they used cheap parts or is way overpriced.
e.g. XPS 730 H2C, no monitor, for $5,999. cmon, wtf?
yea, the great thing about their servers is the psus catch on fire and then you can have a company bbq
Hasn't happened yet. Did have one APC backup battery catch fire, though. That was fun; 220V three-phase running through the chassis of a flaming UPS spilling battery acid everywhere and kicking out nasty black smoke.
Can't beat that with a red-oak smoker.
you guys arn't using 480V for your backups?
No need to. Three-phase 220V is enough for a single rack. We're not running a datacenter, just a design-and-prototype shop in a satellite office with 10 people and about 15 remote employees.
um, you may want to double-check that. My understanding is that you're not generally going to get a 220V 3-phase supply. A 3-phase supply would generally be 308/360V.
A 220/240V would be a 2-phase supply... Two hots with 110/120V potential to ground -- 180 degrees apart, and a neutral.
oh, god. who cares? do the two of you just look for things to nit pick with other?
Yes, we do look for things to nitpick. It's a game.
It might be two-phase, now that you mention it. It was my understanding that three-phase had four conductors, three live and one ground, because there was no need for a neutral conductor, but it seems they provide one anyway. (EDIT: Oh, this is nice, apparently the standard varies.) I think the plug has four prongs instead of five, but I honestly don't remember after 2.5 years, and I'm not about to unplug it to find out. (Though I suppose I could, since it is a UPS, the servers won't shut off...)
Another edit: No, it's definitely three-phase. I just jumped on the VPN and checked the UPS management console, and the nominal voltage is 208V, which is the US standard for three-phase power. Booyah.