Alright, my budget is to stay below 200$, as best as possible. I prefer something 20gb, simply because I have 30gb of mp3s, and I'd at least like to fit a big enough variety that I enjoy for use in my car. I guess I could settle for 5gb, but it'd have to win me over in a few categories for me to really pick it. That's another thing, this is an mp3 player that would mainly be used in my car. This means I'd like something with a good battery life, being as I drive a shit load (20,000 miles alone since last August). Recharging would also have to be through a means other than computer, considering my computer doesn't go everywheres that I do, especially when I take trips that can be up to 5 days long. The use in my car would also want me to pick up something that's kinda small, and easy to navigate through. I don't want something that'd be a bitch/pain in the ass to use because I don't want to get in a wreck. Currently, I'm looking at a Rio Karma, the docking station with RCA line out, and ethernet connectivity make it very very very interesting. Does anyone own one? How easy is it to put music on? How easy is to navigate? Would you reccomend it? It does fit my budget, and have a lot of what I'm looking for. I also hear it has very good sound quality, which is something that I desire. My only worries about the Karma is the very limited warranty, and the few reviews where people talk about their hard drives dying. Thanks in advance for any/all help. I know there have been a million MP3 player threads, I just never found any that were helpful to myself. Again, thanks.