MMA hey let me tell you a little something about time and jiujitsu

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  1. Exiled

    Exiled New Member

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    Yeah i've been doing it a while.. i think about it.. pretty much more than anything else.

    Can I write a book and throw down 50 million techniques? Off the top of my head? Fuck no.. give me a few months to sit and write shit down? Sure, bring it on..


    I thought about that for a while and that's where TIME and JIUJITSU came into play.


    When im in a position im not specifically thinking about doing this technique or that technique and even though I know you all do (it's part of the process) your main goal is to understand the position. (wow, what a cocky bastard)

    I make up weird sweeps and submissions all the time and someone will say "wtf did you just do" and i'll say "no idea, show me".. why? understanding the position, or how to lockup a leg etc etc.

    It's why people talk about Marcelo Garcia's "squeeze" with his guillotine etc.. he just understands the position..

    That's how he developed those x-guard techniques.. because he used xguard so much he understood the position inside and out.

    basically, ask me a question maybe if you have it.. but what I try to tell people is it's not the technique that's the most important, it's why you are doing it and what it manipulates.

    that's why jiujitsu is so awesome, no matter what, if you understand the position you can manipulate the hell out of it in ways nobody (even you) will see right away'


    ok was just outside having a smoke and thought of that and since it's dead in here I figured id post something..

    :eek3:
     
  2. Exiled

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    oh I forgot about the time thing


    that comes in time.. if you play a position (like chechen and his.. hillarious half guard) for long enough to understand it.. you will make up technique..

    is that to say someone hasn't already made it up? no.. but you WILL invent it for yourself if you have enough time playing in a certain position..


    moral of the story: my balls itch
     
  3. dengar

    dengar seans is a afta marchsollwe in his gir! OT Supporter

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  5. Exiled

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    I am tomorrow, I was going to yesterday but I ended up not being able to get on schedule because I had to put tie rod ends and brakes in my truck..

    I had to drink some beers, smoke some cigs.. after tonight im going to get my diet ready for the next 7 days and call the troops for training after work :wtc:
     
  6. dengar

    dengar seans is a afta marchsollwe in his gir! OT Supporter

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    When you learn a new move, technique, whatever.. how do you personally make sure you pick it up? How long do you drill it? Do you then try to work it into your rolling that day?


    I learn a new move or submission, but find myself losing it. We drill it and I get it down, but I can't ever integrate it into my game while rolling. Should I just roll with people at half speed and work on setting it up and performing it?

    I know I am answering alot of questions while typing this out. I am just curious to see what the more experienced guys go through to nail down new things.
     
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  8. ilduce

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    Before you get mad Tony...it was just a joke.
     
  9. kilian

    kilian You've got quite a treasure there in that Horadric OT Supporter

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    I agree with this thread.

    I was so used to rolling with wrestlers when we cross-trained (judo team was all on the wrestling team, and we all dabbled in jits) that I ended up making up a move that I don't see most people do.

    If someone gets my back, I turtle up and I've become really good at tucking chin from being on all fours during wrestling (judo coach was wrestling coach, we drilled chokes and back mount/hooks) so I would tuck, wait for them to start going for RNC.

    When they start going for RNC a lot of the time if you try to buck someone they post a hand in front of you or off to the side in front, so I grab the hand they post, and basically throw them from all fours.

    Its like a dropknee seonagi but without the drop :mamoru:

    So I throw hard/fast and explode and if they manage to stay on the side of me like a failed back mount, I just crawl up the arm until I'm in side control.

    Its stuff like that where people don't know why I'm doing it or what its called but I completely understand what Tony is getting at.
     
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    I think cross training helps a lot when it comes to finding something "new" or a different style. Being a wrestler helps me a lot when Im able to roll and control/shift my weight that some folks dont understand. Tony makes a great point though that there are things that can be individualized to suit that person.
     
  11. kilian

    kilian You've got quite a treasure there in that Horadric OT Supporter

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    I guess what I'm trying to say is that I'm so comfortable being on all fours from spending so much time there during wrestling that I don't mind it and actually prefer it sometimes because for me its a quick road to side control.
     
  12. Exiled

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    I forget the guys name but he would compete and immediately turtle.. he devloped the shit out of it and I actually worked on that for a while, he would attack you from that position and sweep you.

    So yeah
     
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    I think the most important thing I've learned is that no matter how talented you are, this stuff takes time to learn and be good at. You've got to drill it over and over and over and keep using it to be any good. There are so many positions and situations that it takes forever to learn what to do in all of them.

    We have a bunch of guys who show up at the gym, take the classes for a week, or a month or whatever and end up leaving because they aren't tapping guys who have been there longer than them.
     
  14. kilian

    kilian You've got quite a treasure there in that Horadric OT Supporter

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    :werd: I feel so comfortable in a neutral position or all fours, but I hate being in someone's guard. I'd so much rather be on my stomach than be in guard.
     
  15. Savage5point0

    Savage5point0 Im an asshole.

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    Nice post :bigthumb: I appreciate it when you take the time to impart some knowledge in non-gif form to us lowly cagers. :mamoru:

    But I agree with what you said. I try to breakdown and understand a position rather than just learn technigues from a set up spot.

    Breaking down techniques to individual specific spots, pressures, grips ect will help your understanding of how each base action effects you and your opponent, and in turn allow you to use and apply those actions to other techniques or modify and improve techniques you already use and know.
     
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  17. Antigeek

    Antigeek Who Dat!

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    I play the turtle game from time to time and can usually get to a decent position from it.

    My biggest weakness is getting out of being sidemounted. But I prefer to be on my back working from guard.
     

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