Well i thought id ask you guys rather than those fucking sherdoggers cause all i would hear is 'Dont bother learning spider guard, it doesnt work on teh deadly streets' rather than finding out what i want to know. Anywho when i play spider guard i usually have my feet in their elbows (as opposed my knees), but i see others that play the spider guard and often loop the foot outside of the arm and back in and under the armpit. The guy in the black gi attempts to do it here http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=1o5X-qfyUq8 My question is what is the point of looping your foot around and under like that? I see others pull them in with that technique but i don't know what for. Can anyone point this out to me the reasoning and the science behind the move and what its suppose to accomplish.