help me critique a somewhat final build for my new computer

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  1. Limp_Brisket

    Limp_Brisket New Member

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    im trying to build the whole thing on newegg :o

    processor

    core i7 (mid range) ~$500.00 (guess)

    motherboard
    asus p6t ~$300.00

    memory (RAM)
    6GB of triple channel DDR3 kit (when newegg gets them) ~$400 (guess)

    video card
    sapphire 4870 X2 $519.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102768
    or
    evga gtx280 $434.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130368

    hard drive(s)
    300GB wd velociraptor 10k rpm SATA $269.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136260
    or
    300GB fujitsu 15k rpm SAS $339.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822116059
    or
    294GB (2) fujitsu 15k rpm SAS RAID 0 $399.98 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822116058

    case
    antec skeleton $179.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129056
    or
    hiper osiris $169.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811214029
    or
    cooler masters cosmos s $199.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119150
    and (5) Apevia 120mm fans $37.45 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811998121

    power supply
    silverstone 750W $125.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256009

    disc drive
    LG blu-ray drive $139.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136154
    or
    ASUS DVD-R 8X $35.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135156


    what do you think my best options are from what i listed? or something entirely different? anything i missed? thanks

    im not exactly ecstatic about the case choices either, so any better recommendations greatly appreciated. mid-size is better but i like the handles on the cooler master even though it's a full-case:o the reviews on newegg said the air flow is pretty week though, hence the 5 replacement fans.


    oh, and i already bought the following towards it:
    monitor 24" benq V2400W $400.00
    keyboard logitech G15 $80.00
    mouse logitech G5 $40.00
    mousepad razor destructor $40.00
     
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    Kieffer87 Orly OT Supporter

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    What are you going to be using this for that you need that processor and 15k drives?
     
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    lowfat 24/Mac/SciFi/PC Crew OT Supporter

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    SAS drives have no place on a desktop.
     
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    Limp_Brisket New Member

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    why not? it's not an enterprise mobo or anything and it has the SAS controller built-in.

    so if i can spend a minimal amount of extra money and boot vista in a few seconds... why wouldn't i?
     
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    Limp_Brisket New Member

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    gaming, programming, general computer use :dunno:

    of course I don't need them. i don't see why you wouldn't want an i7 though
     
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    when you spend that much you can't really go wrong
     
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    lowfat 24/Mac/SciFi/PC Crew OT Supporter

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    It isn't going to perform better though. SAS drives are designed for higher random IOPs used in servers, etc.

    http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=199744&highlight=SAS

    VR's will perform better.
     
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    Limp_Brisket New Member

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    it's just a few guys saying "no, it would perform better in database situations, but not for desktop applications" but none of them post any evidence of this.

    the one guy that did post evidence posted this benchmark article http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ultrastar-cheetah-sas,2004.html but it shows the exact opposite of what he was saying, the 15k drives perform much better than their 10k counter-parts...
     
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    r00tman Archiver of LOLs

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    Just get the fucking VelociRaptors. :rolleyes:
     
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    I wouldn't get the Antec Skeleton.

    If you get a Blu-Ray drive, why not get the Sony NEC one (I've never been a fan of LG products). If you go for the regular DVD drive, why get retail, for the trial of Nero and a fancy box?

    I'd still get the 15k SAS over a VR anyday. That link you (lowfat) provided just shows a couple people arguing, none of whom show any evidence.
     
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    why not SSDs then? cost?
     
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    that's what i'm saying. it's not like i'm attached to any set hard drives, i just want good performance and so far i've seen nothing to show me that those 15k drives won't perform better...

    and about the disc drives, those were just my last minute "oh, i need a disc drive" picks. i'll look at the ones you suggested.
     
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    while i want performance, $600 for a 80gb ssd is a huge step in price per gig compared to $400 for 300gb for the raid 0 15k setup. and i'm not convinced it's as huge a step in performance.
     
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    r00tman Archiver of LOLs

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    Where exactly do you see the Core i7 listed on NewEgg???
     
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    Limp_Brisket New Member

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    they're not released until next monday. :hsugh:

    and as soon as they are released, i'll be buying it from newegg :bigthumb:
     
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    if your rig will be a server, and already have the SAS controller,... 15K drives would be great

    but if its just typical desktop usage, you'd probably won't notice the difference between the 15K drives and the Velociraptors

    plus the VRs are cheaper, runs cooler, and are more quiet
     
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    "This means that the more affordable 2.5" 10,000 SATA VelociRaptor offers quicker access than comparable 2.5" SAS enterprise-class drives."

    The review uses 2.5" SAS drives and we aren't talking about a 2.5" SAS drive here.

    I'm not trying to be a dick. I just don't believe it and until I see a semi-reliable source that says the VR will out perform the SAS I won't.
     
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    Limp_Brisket New Member

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    freak, i had a comment all written out but hit backspace and it went back instead of deleting a character and erased all my stuff.

    anyways, i agree with above and here's the cliffs of what i wrote:
    - they used a 10k fujitsu instead of a 15k like i'm looking at and the 15k is specced quite a bit faster. i'd have to see a comparison between the 15k fujitsu's im looking at and the velociraptors
    - the 15k savvio still smoked the velociraptor in seek time and boot time.
    - if i already have teh SAS controller and the price per gig is the same why not? especially if the performance is the same or even a little better than a velociraptor?
     
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    lowfat 24/Mac/SciFi/PC Crew OT Supporter

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    2.5" drives shit on 3.5" drives
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sas-hard-drives,1702-2.html

    The access time is faster but it didn't really make a difference in any real world tasks. Do you reboot your computer multiple times a day? If not it isn't going to make a difference.

    The SAS drives you looked at are 3.5" drives and like I said above are slower than the 2.5" drives. The Fujitsu drives you linked use platters half the size of the VR, which will be significantly slower.
     
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    Agreed. Like doom said, the Fujitsu will run hotter and be louder so make sure to have some good drive cooling. Noise isn't an issue for me but I don't know if you care.
     
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    lol. booting was the only real world task i think they benchmarked. and if it performed so much better im sure it would also translate into performing better loading times for other applications.
     
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    The article says the opposite: "Up to 10 do not require substantially more energy than four 3.5" drives, but they will outperform the four 3.5" drives by two times or sometimes even 2.5 times. If you decide to use 4-6 2.5" drives, you will receive at least equivalent performance at clearly reduced power consumption." So it takes 4-6 2.5" drives to achieve the performance of 4 3.5" drives. I am just going to step out on a limb here and assume the 4-6 does not mean 4. Therefore the 3.5" will out perform the 2.5". Then there is also the price, you get more capacity from a 3.5" drive than a similarily priced 2.5".

    Yes, 2.5" kills 3.5" in a 1U scenario simply because you can get more spindles in it.. But drive for drive 3.5" > 2.5"

    Then there is the issue of rpm. As stated in the page prior to the one you linked, 15k is better than 10k. And, I quote, "Besides the recording technology, drive rotation speed is the most important factor for a drive's throughput."

    Continuing on in that article, "Using the 15k model doesn't really increase the read transfer rates, but the write performance benefits a lot." Even further in the article, "The performance differences between the Savvio drives at 10,000 RPM and their 15,000 RPM brothers are substantial. The Savvio 15k.1 shows huge performance advantages in all low-level benchmarks such as the access-time measurements or the data-transfer rates." Therefore the Fujitsu has another plus for it over the VR simply due to its rpm.

    That article did nothing but the opposite of convincing me that the VR is a better choice for a "gaming, programming, general computer use" computer.

    EDIT: Also, please don't forget about the difference between SAS and SATA as well
     
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    I'm curious, what are your current system specs Limp_Brisket?
     
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    and one more thing i wasn't sure about. what's the difference between say a seagate cheetah 15k.6 and the savvio 15k.1 they tested? what does the .6 and .1 mean?
     

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