having a spotter is "cheating"?

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  1. ohgod123

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    so apparently some people i know consider it to be "cheating" or "less manly" to have a spotter. my question is this: when a guy has a spotter that helps him lift off and leaves his hands there as mental support and giving as little help as possible, does that really take a significant amount of credit away from the weightlifter?

    and what if the guy is giving adequate help but the weightlifter is still doing most of the work?
     
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    why would he keep his hands on the bar...? what purpose could that possibly serve except him rowing the weight up for you?
     
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    it is "cheating" if his hands are kept on the bar. my girlfriend hands off to me and goes afk until i'm done, if the bar goes downwards when im trying to complete a rep then she takes it. there is NO reason to keep your hands on the bar
     
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    the purpose of the spotter is to save you from being pinned if you lose control of the bar or fail on your last rep...not to help you lift the weight. and a spotter telling you "i barely touched it, it was all you" = he helped a lot.
     
  5. ohgod123

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    well for me...i start to have a mental block when i feel that the weight starts getting heavy for me...2 plates for bench...40 lbs on each side for preacher curl...or 80 lbs for each db on incline bench(keep in mind i weigh around 152-153 so i don't want to drop an 80 and snap my arm off or something). i just feel more secure and i can still rep the weight like i normally do without a spotter.

    just double checking:the consensus is spotter's hand on the bar is cheating?
     
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    Hand does not need to touch the bar until you begin to fail at the rep.

    You don't need his hands there all the time, especially for light weight like 225lbs.
     
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    oh and also: when a weightlifter does not touch the bar to his chest when he is benching, that is not considered to be a full rep, is it? same thing with when he is doing preacher curls -- if he is not going all the way down, he is not doing a full rep, correct?

    DTR: i understand 225 might not be heavy for you, but for a lightweight-middleweight guy like me at 153, it's still somewhat hard for bench
     
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    I am not referring to your difficulty with 225lbs. I am saying that iff 225 starts to come back down on you or pins you for even a second it won't hurt you... Keep your spotter around to pull the weight when you fail the rep. Having his hands there the whole time is going to fuck you up mentally.

    As for touching the chest... that's relative. Many people don't touch the chest because it requires that elbows (in some cases) go below parallel to the ground. That will bother some peoples shoulders. As long as you're getting a good range of motion and at least doing 75% of a full ROM then you're fine.
     
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    DTR: if a person is benching and the bar is about 5 inches above the chest, would you consider that 75% of full range of motion?
     
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    im not trying to argue here but people do not touch their chest 99% of the time because it is harder and because of their ego. not everytime, but 99% at least.

    to me there is little excuse.... but that sjust me.. if dave tate can touch his chest with this list of shoulder problems:

    • Right shoulder: I've had a torn supraspinatus, bone spurs, and now have arthritis. I had this shoulder cleaned up with the AC shaved down to allow more movement, but am now experiencing almost all the same ailments in the same shoulder. Doctors are talking replacement.

    then i think most people can. :o
     
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    nudes: i tend to agree with what you're saying...but i don't really say shit to my workout partner that benches with the bar a few inches from his chest.
     
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    There's a big difference between 'touching' your chest and bouncing the weight off your chest
     
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    Agreed. It's harder on most people's egos than it actually is their body. Same with dumbell pressing. Sure, you can grab the 80s or 100s and bang out a ton of reps, but you're barely going down to like a 3 board position.
     
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    :hs: I need a workout partner. i eschew bb bench.
     
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    I use a spotter when going heavy. But I tell him to keep his hands away from the bar unless I am going to drop it on myself. It messes with my head mentally when someone touches the bar I start to think I am struggling. Next rep, I struggle.
     
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    I cant stand it when the spotter touches my weight.

    I wanna know its just me and the weight and i wanna KNOW it was all me.
     
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    I tell people spotting me to not touch the bar unless I say something or drop it on myself. I've had to stop training with people because they couldn't keep their hands off the bar.
     
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    Yea getting pinned is really manly. :ugh:
     
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    I started working out with a friend to get a free month added to my membership but he tries to pick up my weight if I don't lift it in .5 seconds. So FUCKING annoying
     
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    i like having a finger from each hand on the bar or almost touching... i donno why but it makes me more confedent
     
  22. solarian

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    the only reason you need a spotter is if you physically cannot push up anymore. you should only need a spotter for benching, but I have seen people help out on curls.....what the fuck is the point of that.
     
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    sit him down and have a serious discussion bro. talk it out :hug:
     
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    because they are applying force to the bar...thus doing some of the work for you...
     
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    I always use a spotter on max effort bench days. 1. Having a hand-off is much easier on the shoulders. 2. Its obviously safer. 3. Sucks if you miss the lift and have to yell for help to get the bar off your chest.
     
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