Have to build a new budget rig; need some advice

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  1. Eff

    Eff New Member

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    Alright, so as part of my flight training I am using X-Plane 9 a lot. Mainly for navigation practice and running over flight plans and such.

    So I finally get it all installed (60 GB worth. WOW!), start it up, annnddd... it runs at 15 FPS. With the rendering settings at rock bottom.

    Fuck me.

    I guess that's what I get when my computer is a laptop that's a few years old, using Intel integrated graphics.

    So basically, I need to build a new system. My budget is $1,200 or less, and that has to include a nice monitor. By "nice", I mean something in the 22" range or whatever. You know, the ones that are around $2-300 ish I think. The key point is good color and contrast, since I do a lot of photo editing.
    I already have a keyboard, mouse, speakers, etc.

    Major things I am looking for / using it for:

    - Reliability. Rock solid. By that I guess I mean not only physically but also components with solid drivers that are also available for Ubuntu (I like to dual boot)
    - Able to run Xplane 9 (Open GL I think) at max rendering settings across the board with at least 60 FPS, preferably much more, maybe even with AA turned on too. Also Flight Sim X (from Microsoft, so DirectX I guess)
    - Lots of space, preferably >750 GB... I shoot prolly 16-20 GB of photos a month.
    - Enough ram and processing power for Photoshop, iTunes, Xplane, NEXRAD / other WX, and several browser windows to be open and running simultaneously... so 2GB? 4? How many cores?
    - Able to support multiple monitors (2)
    - Easily expandable / easy to work on (for the case)
    - Quiet, but not at the expense of any of the above.

    I may be a bit of a nerd but I'm not up-to-date on the latest and greatest computer parts. Which is why I'm asking you guys. :)
    As for the actual assembly and such I'm good; I've build several systems in the past, but this was 4 years ago. I know motherboard / case formats have changed a bit.

    As for XP or Vista... whichever is the most reliable is fine. As long as Vista doesn't call home to MS about my files and crap that is.

    I've heard Newegg is a good site?
     
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    Intel E8400 or Q6600 CPU
    Corsair 620HX PSU
    ATI 4870 GPU
    2x2GB (4GB total) DDR2 PC6400 or higher (Corsair recommended)
    P45 or X48 Intel (if you don't want to OC), Gigabyte, or Abit motherboard
    Throw in a few Seagate 7200.11 SATA-II hard drives

    Since you are storing all of those photos you may want to consider a RAID-5 to help protect you against data loss. If you do buy a dedicated controller, don't use the onboard RAID built into the motherboard.

    Newegg is a good site.

    I'd personally go with Vista 64-Bit in your situation.
     
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    I agree with everything that dissonance posted but the mobo... he doesn't need top-of-the-line mobo and he probably won't be overclocking, so I think a P35 mobo would do, and it would probably be cheapter overall.

    But yeah, all the other specs are great. I'd also recommend Vista 64-bit
     
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    Thanks a lot guys.
    You are right bow, I don't intend on overclocking in the slightest.

    Raid is always nice, how much of a premium is it? Reason I ask is because I already back up all my shoots to DVD as well as a separate external, but if it's not too much more, than the extra security may very well be worth it.

    I take it Vista 64 bit is more stable? How is it with "normal" (32) apps/sims/drivers?

    Is the ATI 4870 this: http://ati.amd.com/products/radeonhd4800/index.html
    I ask because I didn't know if the "HD" in the name was a significant difference or not. I don't know a whole ton about video card specs (I remember when the GF 4600 was hot shit :big grin:) but that card looks insane.
     
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    stick to 64 bit 32 bit only registrars 3gb ram i would look into quad cores and what not...maybe if i get time ill put something to gather and post it
     
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    Not sure about RAID, I don't use it.

    I find 64 bit drivers to be pretty stable... never ever crashed or BSOD in 64 bit Vista. I got all my drivers fine, 32 bit apps work fine, no problems here really.

    Yep, the Radeon HD4800 series is the GPU family the 4870 belongs to
     
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    Great thing about this is

    1. you have SLI ready card and board just stick another 512mb card in if you ever need more graphics

    2. 4gb with the ability to do 8gb

    3. 6 SATA 3.0 gbs MUCH faster then PATA for HDD and your roms

    4. motherboard supports RAID: 0/1/0+1/5/JBOD

    5. 1 TB and can add more (can lower size to lower the price)

    6. case has i think 3 120mm fans and plenty of ventilation and room to add more ( i didn't add the heat sink and what not b/c don't know what you like doing personally i like liquid cooling)

    LG 20X DVD±R DVD Burner w/ SecurDisc Tech Black SATA Model GH20NS15 - OEM

    Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail

    Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM

    Acer AL2216Wbd Black 22" 5ms Widescreen LCD Monitor with HDCP support - Retail

    GIGABYTE GA-MA790GP-DS4H AM2+/AM2 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

    EVGA 512-P3-N801-AR GeForce 8800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail

    Sony NEC Optiarc Black IDE DVD-ROM Drive Model DDU1615/B2s - OEM

    OCZ Reaper HPC 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2RPR10664GK - Retail


    Microsoft Windows Vista Business SP1 64-bit English 1pk for System Builders DSP OEI DVD - OEM



    Rosewill RX750-S-B 750W ATX12V v2.2 & EPS12V v2.91 SLI 8800GTX SLI CrossFire Ready Active PFC PFC Power Supply - Retail

    AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz Socket AM2 125W Dual-Core Processor Model ADX6000CZBOX - Retail


    ^ those to have a -$80 combo deal via Newegg.com
     
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    oh sorry i put that together in like 5minutes and didn't check the specs because i had something to do...well he gets the point 2x 2gb sticks

    Fixed post btw
     
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    Or you could go with an Intel based setup (newegg pricing):

    CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale 3.0GHz Retail > $169.99
    Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-EP45-DS3R > $129.99 - $20MIR
    RAM: Corsair XM2 2x2GB DDR2 PC6400 > $79.00 - $20MIR
    PSU: Corsair 750TX > $129.99 - $20MIR
    GPU: eVGA 512-P3-N975-AR GeForce 9800 GT 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 > $129.99 - $10MIR
    HDD: Seagate 7200.11 750GB SATA-II > $109.99
    Optical: (2) Sony NEC Optiar 20x DVD +/- R Burner w\ LightScribe SATA > $27.99 x 2
    Case: Antec 900 > $129.99
    Display: Acer 22" AL2216Wbd > $199.99
    OS: Vista Home Premium 64-Bit > $99.99

    >> $1,234.90 - $70MIR = $1,164.90
     
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    For lower end RAID controllers ($50+) the premium is really in the price of the drives. Mid-Level controllers would be $200-$600 range. Another plus side if you got a RAID and ran a RAID-5 is your performance would greatly increase. My RAID-5 with 5 1TB Seagate ES.2 drives outperforms my single 320GB Seagate ES drive by 2.5-3 times on average.
    [Edit: Data added]

    Seagate 320GB ES (16MB Cache, 7.2krpm, SATA-II)
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    5 Seagate 1TB ES.2 (32MB Cache, 7.2krpm, SATA-II) in LSI MegaRAID 8408E controlled RAID-5 = Partition H
    [​IMG]

    5 Seagate 1TB ES.2 (32MB Cache, 7.2krpm, SATA-II) in LSI MegaRAID 8408E controlled RAID-5 = Partition I
    [​IMG]

    (Now I know part of that is in the drives themselves)
     
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    i have always like AMD but hey what ever you prefer your the buyer
     

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