warning: this thread is REALLY long but if you read it and reply, and give me some insight you will be in my good graces I really dont know where this girl stands, and I'm trying follow a guideline of mine (dont mention a relationship, wait til she brings it up) Basically I met this girl at a party, got her number and s/n, we didnt really talk much... we forgot everything we said to eachother. Nothing happend but it did lead to another event. I asked her if she wanted to hang out, she agreed. I asked her what she wanted to do, i proposed a bunch of things, go out and watch a movie, have dinner, have a drink or make it a blockbuster night. Anyways she said she just wanted to rent a movie and watch it at my house. Before she left she asked "wait were just gonna cuddle up on the couch and watch a movie, right?" I thought she was being a bit too easy saying she wants to come over to my house the first time we hang out and cuddle up on my couch and watch a movie but whatever... the next thing she did that put the idea in my mind that was easy was that she drove a good 20 minutes to my house to hang out... usually its the gentle-man thing to pick the lady up... and i even offered to pick her up. This was at the time when I still wasnt that trustworthy of her I even gave her a fake address and then told her I'd meet her at starbucks, then I let her follow me home. Anyways we picked out a horror movie and went back to my house to watch it. We cuddled up on the couch and watched it, during the movie I gave her a hand massage because she said her hand hurt. After the movie I gave her a back massage and then while massaging her I said "turn around so i can kiss you" (even though most people wouldnt approve of this method I felt confident saying it and it seemed natural to me so thats what matters) anyways we kissed by the fire, didnt really go further than that, then she went home. We set another date for friday and we agreed to finish the movie at my house. Before I left for her house I honestly didnt really expect her to show so I bought her some flowers, so I can leave them there if she doesnt show up, and secondly because it was black friday and they were like $5. When I got out of the car I said, "Oh I did buy one thing for black friday, wanna see?" and gave her the flowers. Before the movie we explored my house a little and we went to my room and chilled a bit, she snooped around in my drawers and on my computer (with me present there of course) then we started another fire as the previews were playing and I said "well theres nothing to do now but wait... and you know we can do while we wait" so I started making out with her and then picked her up and threw her on the couch. One thing lead to another and we started making love. FIRST TIME I GOT LAID IN LIKE 6 MONTHS. anyways, even though I hadnt had sex in what felt like forever, I still think I did quite well, I lasted a good 15 minutes but had to stop a few times to eat her out and prevent me from blowing my load. After that we cuddled and finished the movie, then after the movie we cuddled more and talked about stuff. Didn't really find a comfortable time to bring up our relationship, so I didnt. We decided to get dressed and go out and eat, danced in my driveway from car music, we ate, flirted, seemed pretty lovey-dovey to me. Came back, cuddled more, then we fucked again, this time I lasted a whole lot longer and we did three different positions and two days later i got sore from fucking so much. After that we cuddled, danced a little more, kissed, flirted then i went to drop her off at home, before we got on the freeway I taught her how to check a cars engine oil and add oil. On the rest of the way home we talked and she browsed through my CDs and I sang to her... we also sorta danced/got rambuncious in the car to some rap. We made out and then she went inside her house. When we were hanging out I asked her what she was doing next weekend and she said going to the club... Clubbing isnt really my thing since I can't really dance and I also dont need to buy into this club propaganda of meeting chicks since I meet enough girls as it is. We set a date for saturday and decided on seeing a movie (at a movie theatre). Yesterday we talked and I told her I was taking my brother's fiance out to dinner and she said "so you're taking other girls out?" Now I dont know what this implies but I'm thinking it implies that she expects me not to take other girls out. IF she IS implying that she wants me to not take other girls out, is it just a one-way thing and she wants me all to herself, while i have a thing with her and she fucks other boys (which i think would be evil) or is she implying that we should have a two-way dating type relationship? So I really dont know if this girl is just a skank or whats up with that and thats where I'm lost. I'm wanting to make a relationship out of this but then again thats oneitis, and that has to do with why i didn't get laid in so long until that night. But I really do want to make a relationship out of this girl but I donno where shit stands. im trying to follow my guideline of "dont bring up having a relationship with a girl until she does" but this is kinda going on a bit far, having sex with me on the second date... hanging out three weekends in a row now. I'm gonna have to really get her feelings and understand what she wants but I dont know how to do this without coming off as a chump. Ultimately I DO want a good steady relationship but I'm not gonna let myself get caught up on one girl. Although I want a relationship I wouldn't mind being F-buddies. other anonymous things that make me think shes a slut: we dont talk much on the phone we dont talk much online she has a lot of guy friends anonymous things that make me thing shes NOT a slut: said she hasnt had sex in 6 months (keyword: said) shes in a good college (a bit stereotypical but w/e) we do a lot of cuddling seems to have a good head on her shoulders although we fucked we dont JUST fuck, we cuddle/dance/talk when i went out to the street races the other night she told me to be careful and call her when i got home to tell her i was ok. thanks in advance, Matt CLIFFS: girl fucks on second date, is she a skank? how can I make her motives clear, whether she wants to date/have a relationship/be F-buddies and how can i bring up the subject without sounding like a chump?