GUN Guy in car runs over two kids, tries to flee scene. Guy with gun stops him

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  1. hsmith

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    by drawing, then holding him at gun point till the cops come :bowdown:

    lol, awesome story



    http://southbendtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090508/NEWS01/905080347




    Witness halts fleeing driver after two Mishawaka girls struck

    Sisters, ages 4 and 6, are listed in critical condition after car hits them.

    By ERIN BLASKO
    Tribune Staff Writer

    MISHAWAKA — Two young girls, sisters, were in critical condition late Thursday after being run down earlier in the evening while crossing the street arm-in-arm after playing with friends.

    The driver reportedly attempted to flee, but was stopped at gunpoint by a man who witnessed the accident.

    According to witnesses, the two girls, ages 4 and 6, were crossing 11th Street at Dodge Street about 7:18 p.m. when a man traveling west on 11th in a blue Chevrolet Lumina struck both of them at about 40 mph.


    "No sooner had they crossed the street than I heard tires lock up and, 'Boom! Boom!,'æ" said Alan Knepp, who was standing just up the street when the girls were hit.

    Knepp said the younger girl passed quickly beneath the vehicle, but her older sister rode the hood for several seconds before falling beneath the front end and then under both driver's side tires.

    The girls behind him, the driver then hit the gas, witnesses said, but stopped when Knepp, who was legally carrying a gun, jumped in front of the vehicle and trained his weapon on it.

    Approached by Knepp, the driver reportedly said the girls had jumped out in front of him. He then handed his keys to Knepp and stood silently next to his vehicle until police arrived.

    The girls, meanwhile, lay nearly lifeless in the road, witnesses said. The younger one initially was not breathing, and the older one's limbs and neck were badly twisted.

    Fetched by a neighbor, the girls' mother arrived moments later and reportedly passed out at the sight of her daughters' motionless bodies.

    Both girls were rushed by ambulance to Memorial Hospital in South Bend with critical injuries, Mishawaka police Capt. Pasquale Rulli said. One was immediately admitted into surgery, he said, and the other flown to Riley Hospital for Children in Indianapolis.

    Their names have not yet been released, but several witnesses said they both attended Emmons Elementary School.

    Most of 11th Street between Dodge and Union

    streets was taped off following the accident and the county's Fatal Alcohol Crash Team was called in to investigate.

    The Chevrolet Lumina involved in the crash remained parked about a half block west of where the girls were hit. At various distances behind it, four small shoes, all pink, were lying on the asphalt.

    Several witnesses said the girls, who were returning home after playing with friends, were halfway across the street when they were hit, not jumping into it, as the driver contended.

    "For him to say them babies jumped out in front of him, he's a damn liar. He's a damn liar," said an emotional Danella Bishop, Knepp's wife.

    "Those two little girls had their arms locked around one another and looked both ways before they crossed," said Kelly Fletcher, a friend of Bishop.

    Fletcher said if not for Knepp, the driver would have fled.

    "He would have kept on going, dragging that little girl under his car," she said.

    The driver was taken to the police station for questioning and then released, Rulli said, and alcohol did not appear to be a factor in the crash.

    The driver's name has not been released.
     
  2. hsmith

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    The gun lobby will heartily approve of this incident. But perhaps if we were all packin', the armed witness would be dead. Thank goodness it turned out as it did.
     
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    If it was still in drive and there were no witnesses he could claim that the guy tried to run him down.
     
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    If you draw down on a guy because you witnessed him commit a crime. Then said individual runs without endangering your life or anyone elses, what would happen if you shoot?

    Granted there are lots of factors such as nature of the crime, persons criminal history, how the police report is written, and the local legal climate but chances are you are on some real shakey legal ground in terms if it is a good shoot.

    Granted after seeing something like two girls getting run down your emotions may take over and you draw to attempt to stop the vehicle. If the dirtbag threw the car in reverse and swerved into the other lane to avoid running the girls over again, could you/would you shoot?
     
  5. ZAQ786

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    The Chevrolet Lumina involved in the crash remained parked about a half block west of where the girls were hit. At various distances behind it, four small shoes, all pink, were lying on the asphalt.

    :( fuck thats sad
     
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    ZAQ786 BMW: The reason Lexus is still 'In the pursuit of

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    :hs: we got moved to the sub forum due to post #2
     
  7. whamola

    whamola Tonight....you.

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    Reminds me of the Hemingway quote, or one attributed to him...

    For sale: baby shoes, never worn

    Supposedly it was a challenge to write a complete story in 6 words, or something.
     
  8. BlueApocalypse

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    Probably would, at the tires if anything and that's wishfully thinking. But as you said, due to emotions from witnessing it - might just shoot him. I hate to say it, but if you stopped the car and look passed to see the two motionless bodies of those kids, I'd assume they were both dead and shoot. Would probably take some jail time for it though.
     
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    Yeah that could be bad news. When you shoot at the tires there is a chance if you miss the round will richchett of the ground. Rounds fired into the ground tend to deflect at a level that is cose to ground level. Thus you could hit one of the bodies of the two girls. That would be a really bad break. Guy rolls away on two flat tires. You put a bullet into one of the two girls. If you pull the trigger you would be better off just shooting the guy.
     
  10. Admitted

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    You don't get a car to stop faster by throwing it in reverse.
     
  11. Carl Brutananadilewski

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    You can use deadly force when someone is fleeing if you reasonably believe he poses a serious threat to yourself or others.

    Although I'm not really sure how that might play out in court for someone who isn't a cop, a police officer could fairly easily make the claim that, hey, this guy just mowed down two little kids, didn't stop or even check on their condition, and made no effort to stop for me. I felt he was a serious danger to society, and would likely seriously injure/kill someone else if he was not immediately apprehended.
     
  12. kellyclan

    kellyclan She only loves you when she's drunk.

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    In most states, citizens can lawfully arrest or detain for felony crimes (which again, varies, but H&R with injury usually is) or crimes where injury results.

    If he kept driving, he's a threat to me. If he reverses, he's a threat to the people behind him. Why an earth would you expect him to or wait to see if he changes lanes?
     
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    The car is now likely a lethal weapon. If you saw someone shoot and likely kill two people, and he took off still armed with the gun in a brandished position, how would you act?
     
  14. Joe_Cool

    Joe_Cool Never trust a woman or a government. Moderator

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    In my state he would have gotten a medal. It's justifiable to shoot to stop a criminal from fleeing the scene of a felony.

    And double hit-and-run is a felony.
     
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    The driver was taken to the police station for questioning and then released, Rulli said, and alcohol did not appear to be a factor in the crash.

    WTF?!
     
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    I believe you're allowed to use deadly force (or the threat there of) to stop a forcible felony, in Missouri at least.
     
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    Same here in TX
     
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    idleprocess Bring a dollar with you baby in the cold cold grou

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    If you draw or use lethal force at all in defense of yourself/others, or in response to a serious crime you've witnessed, it's nearly impossible to be prosecuted - nevermind indicted - in TX. If the individual you draw or fire upon has a criminal record or is an illegal alien, odds of being much more than inconvenienced by the entire affair are about zero.
     
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    CRXican God Loves Ugly

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    accident

    kids do jump into the street
     
  20. Joe_Cool

    Joe_Cool Never trust a woman or a government. Moderator

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    The "hit" part of Hit and Run might be an accident, but the "run" part wasn't. That's bullshit.
     

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