GUN Gun Tests Magazine Review on 9mm Sub-Compacts

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  1. KIDRR

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    http://www.gun-tests.com/

    I in no way work for them or promote them but I do get their magazine. They are kinda like consumer reports is for other items. They don't have any advertising in their magazines and will give their honest opinion like "buy it" or "don't buy this junk". I thought this might be helpful to anyone considering these firearms who would other wise have to take the advice of a bunch of people who are sack riders or just think whatever they buy is the best.

    In the latest issue they reviewed the Glock 26, Sig P239, and the M&P 9mm. I'll try to figure out the online access an post the whole review in here but this is what they had to say:

    Glock 26: Grade:B
    Our G26 performed without a moment's worry and carried 10+1 rounds. The Glock 26 was never meant to be a target pistol or a primary weapon. But as a hideout gun or backup pistol, the Glock 26 is a solid choice. (They went on to say that they much prefer the Glock 19 for conceal carry).

    Sig P239: DAK 9mm Grade:A-
    Accuracy was exceptional once we had dedicated our technique to mastery of the DAK trigger. This gun could serve as a primary carry pistol as well as a concealment piece.

    Smith and Wesson M&P 9mm: Grade D
    Due to MALFUNCTIONS, we had to grade the M&P down. A self defense gun cannot suffer stoppages. Our test M&P was marred by the slide locking back with one round left in the magazine. The failure rate was nearly 70%. Accuracy from the bench lagged; this gun shot most groups measuring more than 3 inches across.
     
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    i'd be down for the sig p239, but not with a DAK trigger
     
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    lol @ M&P
     
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    As I recall at one point gun tests has both called the walther p99 their gun of the year and then also published how confusing they found a da/sa trigger. I think thats why I decided they were boobs.
     
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    :ugh: wtf 70% failure rate?

    I've had one stovepipe with my M&P 9c after about 1000 rounds....
     
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    I question their accuracy with the M&P as well. Mine is dead-on.
     
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    just more proof that sigarms = win

    :fawk:
     
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    I really wanna check out a P250.
     
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    sieg (if thats his username) has one. he's posted a bit about it - seems pretty cool :dunno:
     
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    Yeah, I've talked to him about it. He really likes it.
     
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    so, if you get a p250 how do the different size frames work? do you have to (in CA's case) DROS them individually, or does it come as a set? :confused:


    edit: ohhhh. taken from their site:

    edit 2: that doesnt really solve the problem of a new frame. or are the different sizes the same gun? do they have the same serial on the frame? :o
     
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    The serial # is etched into the main firing mechanism, which is all one chunk.
    Then the different sized frames all have a rectangular hole cut out for the serial # to show through.

    Its really weird, but innovative nonetheless.
     
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    so if i buy one i get all 3 frame sizes?
     
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    No.

    Right now all that's available is the compact, the middle size, 9mm. Soon there will be a Full Size, Compact (the that is out now), and sub-compact.
    All available in 9mm, 357, 40, and eventually 45.

    You buy the gun with the frame size you want initially, but then you have to order a frame conversion kit for the other size(s).
    That kit could cost as much as $250-$300, or roughly half the cost of the gun itself.

    Great idea for Law Enforcement, but sort of costly for your average citizen.
     
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    :werd: it'll take a lot for me to look at anything other than a Sig for pistols in the future. My first and main centerfire pistol is a Sig P228, and I have been spoiled with it's accuracy.
     
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    i suppose. the thing to do would be try which one you like the most, but if you're looking for a compact sig you can always go p239, p225, p228, or even p229 :dunno:

    but for less than $600 shipped its tempting :o
     
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    my first handgun (and first sig) is a p226r in 9mm. first sig i shot was a bi-tone p228. soooo nice :hs:
     
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    I agree. I really couldn't see me buying all the other frames. Just get the one you want to begin with and stick with it.
    But for LEO, that would be an ideal option, to be able to mix and match for the duty.
     
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    no XD?
     
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    I've heard of several people having problems with them. Even that guy on here. I wouldn't trust my life to that thing.
     
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