green mag OR scotts finest

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  1. SaturnsAreTehGhey

    SaturnsAreTehGhey New Member

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    i know scott posts on this forum or something but im just wondering what u guys think is the better choice.

    cee is the most membrane permeable iirc, so is it still best to go w/ scotts? just been hearing a lot about green mag recently tho
     
  2. grimstone

    grimstone magic murda bag OT Supporter

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    mono is what all the studies used and its dirt cheap
     
  3. woot

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    CEE tastes like ass. Shit is intolerable to drink and doesn't mix for shit. I'd stick with the monohydrate.
     
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    it really won't matter either way
     
  5. SaturnsAreTehGhey

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    scotts come in capsules but its like 30 bucks for 180 700mg
     
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    Isn't Scott's lawn fertalizer?
     
  7. 4cd-Air

    4cd-Air Rape seemed like the next logical step

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    yeah nobody would on this forum would want to look bigger, that would be HORRIBLE
     
  8. grimstone

    grimstone magic murda bag OT Supporter

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    i wanna look big and strong but i wanna make sure that i do not get any stronger
     
  9. SaturnsAreTehGhey

    SaturnsAreTehGhey New Member

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    so nobody has any insight on cee vs. green mag
     
  10. minus

    minus Damn you, Damn the Broccoli, and Damn the Wright B

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    I use CEE because it's easier to take. I don't have any GI issues with it. Controlled labs makes good stuff however.
     
  11. 4cd-Air

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    CEE - cheap, effective, tastes like rusty butthole

    green mag - effective, easy to take, very expensive
     
  12. ralyks

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    If you want to look like Timber, you need to take Green Mag.

    At least, that's what the magazine advertisements tell me.
     
  13. minus

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    Not if you take tablets.
     
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    Biochem Biophys Res Commun. 2009 Oct 16;388(2):252-5. Epub 2009 Aug 4.

    Non-enzymatic cyclization of creatine ethyl ester to creatinine.

    Giese MW, Lecher CS.

    Department of Chemistry, Marian University, Indianapolis, IN 46222, USA. [email protected]

    Creatine ethyl ester was incubated at 37 degrees C in both water and phosphate-buffered saline and the diagnostic methylene resonances in the (1)H NMR spectrum were used to identify the resultant products. It was found that mild aqueous conditions result in the cyclization of creatine ethyl ester to provide inactive creatinine as the exclusive product, and this transformation becomes nearly instantaneous as the pH approaches 7.4. This study demonstrates that mild non-enzymatic conditions are sufficient for the cyclization of creatine ethyl ester into creatinine, and together with previous results obtained under enzymatic conditions suggests that there are no physiological conditions that would result in the production of creatine. It is concluded that creatine ethyl ester is a pronutrient for creatinine rather than creatine under all physiological conditions encountered during transit through the various tissues, thus no ergogenic effect is to be expected from supplementation.
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    Biochem Biophys Res Commun. 2009 Aug 21;386(2):363-7. Epub 2009 Jun 12.

    Non-enzymatic hydrolysis of creatine ethyl ester.

    Katseres NS, Reading DW, Shayya L, Dicesare JC, Purser GH.

    Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, The University of Tulsa, 800 Tucker Drive, Tulsa, OK 74014, USA.

    The rate of the non-enzymatic hydrolysis of creatine ethyl ester (CEE) was studied at 37 degrees C over the pH range of 1.6-7.0 using (1)H NMR. The ester can be present in solution in three forms: the unprotonated form (CEE), the monoprotonated form (HCEE(+)), and the diprotonated form (H(2)CEE(2+)). The values of pK(a1) and pK(a2) of H(2)CEE(2+) were found to be 2.30 and 5.25, respectively. The rate law is found to be Rate=-dCCEE/dt=k++[H2CEE2+][OH-]+k+[HCEE+][OH-]+k0[CEE][OH-] where the rate constants k(++), k(+), and k(0) are (3.9+/-0.2)x10(6)L mol(-1)s(-1), (3.3+/-0.5)x10(4)L mol(-1)s(-1), and (4.9+/-0.3)x10(4)L mol(-1)s(-1), respectively. Calculations performed at the density functional theory level support the hypothesis that the similarity in the values of k(+) and k(0) results from intramolecular hydrogen bonding that plays a crucial role. This study indicates that the half-life of CEE in blood is on the order of one minute, suggesting that CEE may hydrolyze too quickly to reach muscle cells in its ester form.
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    J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2009 Feb 19;6:6.

    The effects of creatine ethyl ester supplementation combined with heavy resistance training on body composition, muscle performance, and serum and muscle creatine levels.

    Spillane M, Schoch R, Cooke M, Harvey T, Greenwood M, Kreider R, Willoughby DS.

    Department of Health, Human Performance and Recreation, Baylor University, Box 97313, Waco, TX 76798, USA. [email protected].

    ABSTRACT: Numerous creatine formulations have been developed primarily to maximize creatine absorption. Creatine ethyl ester is alleged to increase creatine bio-availability. This study examined how a seven-week supplementation regimen combined with resistance training affected body composition, muscle mass, muscle strength and power, serum and muscle creatine levels, and serum creatinine levels in 30 non-resistance-trained males. In a double-blind manner, participants were randomly assigned to a maltodextrose placebo (PLA), creatine monohydrate (CRT), or creatine ethyl ester (CEE) group. The supplements were orally ingested at a dose of 0.30 g/kg fat-free body mass (approximately 20 g/day) for five days followed by ingestion at 0.075 g/kg fat free mass (approximately 5 g/day) for 42 days. Results showed significantly higher serum creatine concentrations in PLA (p = 0.007) and CRT (p = 0.005) compared to CEE. Serum creatinine was greater in CEE compared to the PLA (p = 0.001) and CRT (p = 0.001) and increased at days 6, 27, and 48. Total muscle creatine content was significantly higher in CRT (p = 0.026) and CEE (p = 0.041) compared to PLA, with no differences between CRT and CEE. Significant changes over time were observed for body composition, body water, muscle strength and power variables, but no significant differences were observed between groups. In conclusion, when compared to creatine monohydrate, creatine ethyl ester was not as effective at increasing serum and muscle creatine levels or in improving body composition, muscle mass, strength, and power. Therefore, the improvements in these variables can most likely be attributed to the training protocol itself, rather than the supplementation regimen.
     
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    It's all hype, just like 80% of the crap out there.
     
  17. 4cd-Air

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    thanks ceaze
     
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    So where is anafits study on cee?
     
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    PURECEE is the purest form of creatine that will give you steroid like results without the steroids and rage :bowdown:
     
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    Ive been using Sci Fit Kre alkalyn with jacked and monster pump and im seeing pretty good results. thinking of trying out white flood though
     
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    Ceaze and anafit in the same thread... it's a blast from the past.
     

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    for sure, this is still going strong
     
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