GUN great logic liberals need to DIAF

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  1. TL1000RSquid

    TL1000RSquid ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

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    Street gangs zero in on gun owners
    Miller calls for weapons ban as police warn collectors they are targets
    Jan. 8, 2006. 01:00 AM
    JOHN DUNCANSON
    STAFF REPORTER


    Gang members are actively gathering intelligence on legitimate gun collectors who have been targeted in recent years, leading police to warn owners to be careful about who they confide in about their weapons.

    No amount of security is going to stop determined thieves from breaking into gun safes, says Inspector Dave McLeod, head of the Toronto police's urban organized crime squad.

    "We know they are gathering intelligence on gun owners, but we don't yet know exactly how they are doing it," McLeod said.

    Mayor David Miller said it's time to rid the city of privately-owned guns.

    "That's exactly why I supported Prime Minister Paul Martin's call for a ban on the ownership of guns," Miller told the Star's Christian Cotroneo yesterday during an anti-gun rally.

    "Guns are stolen from so-called legal gun owners and used to shoot people on the streets of Toronto and it's not acceptable," Miller said. "We have to put a stop to it. And the only way to do that is to ban the ownership of guns. I say the rights of us to be safe trump the rights of that so-called legal gun collector and that's why I've called for handguns to be banned in Toronto."

    Miller and McLeod were commenting in the wake of a Saturday Star story detailing the fallout from a break-in at the subsidized apartment of Toronto gun collector Mike Hargreaves in late 2003 and the theft of dozens of high-powered weapons, including guns that have already been used on Toronto's streets, some in fatal incidents.

    Hargreaves, 70, a well-known firearms instructor, is now living in Orlando, Fla., and hasn't returned to Canada since the theft of his guns. There is an outstanding warrant for his arrest on a charge of improper storage of his firearms.

    McLeod hopes a new tip line set up by police will help them gather their own intelligence on how gang members are smuggling guns into the country and just how they find out the source of domestic guns held by registered gun owners. The hotline number is (416) 343-GUNS.

    The Hargreaves break-in raises questions about just how safe gun collections are, especially when they are held at residences, but McLeod believes that the biggest source of illegal weapons continues to be those smuggled into Canada from the U.S.

    Still, McLeod wonders how Hargreaves could store such a large collection of guns — more than 30 — in his community housing apartment on Gilder Dr. in Scarborough.

    Hargreaves said he did everything legally and was devastated to find out that some of his guns have been linked to violence.

    He said he moved into the 31 Gilder Dr. apartment, run by the Toronto Community Housing Corp., a decade ago because his income was low enough to allow him to qualify.

    Police say a gun stolen from the apartment was used in September during one of the worst bloodbaths in the city's history. Three men were shot dead during a botched gun deal. A fourth man is facing a charge of second-degree murder in the shooting.


    www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentSe...le&cid=1136675412574&call_pageid=968332188492

    WTF Kind of stupid shit is this? How can people actually think this is logical??

    By the same logic privately owned vehicles should be banned then, theres many sensless deaths daily caused by car owners, and lets ban vaginas so we can stop rapes.
     
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    holy crap. I feel dumber having read that.
     
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    That statement would be instant career suicide for any american politician.

    And the logic is retarded. So they ban private ownership, then what? Gang members just hop the border to Michigan or wherever and buy all the guns they want. If God-knows-how-many tons of BC Bud can find it's way to California every year, I'm sure a few guns would be no problem. Then what will the want banned? Leaving the country?
     
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    Gaunt blood for the blood god OT Supporter

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    wow 3 men die and its called a blood bath. wtf.
     
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    TL1000RSquid ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

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    Yep, guns are banned in DC and DC is such a safe city I guess they just want to be more like them. :mamoru:
     
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    High powered weapons! So were can I find so "low powered" weapons?
     
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    and here inlies the rub, gangs are already getting their weapons illegally anyways so banning the ownership of weapons isn't going to affect them, if there's no guns in Toronto they'll just get them from another city or another province or hell even the United States.

    all that banning weapons is going to do is make it easier for the gangs because their would be less people to fight back when they do commit something.
     
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    How about they stop gangs from fucking forming? Maybe that will lower gang violence?
     
  9. TL1000RSquid

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    Thats a way to logical answer for them.
     
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    Or stricter punishment for gang-related violence and activity.

    That'll straighten out a few young fuckups who pretend to be in gangs as well.
     
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    Problem with doing this ACLU, jesse jackson and al sharpton will all be out protesting claiming new laws specifically target minorities.
     
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    It's nobody's fault but the minorities that they are the majority of gang members..

    The ACLU, Jesse, and Al are just too damn ignorant to realize that minorities create alot of their own problems. Morgan Freeman should teach them a few things.
     
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    TL1000RSquid ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

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    :werd:
     
  14. copeland

    copeland smarter than you

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    an infringement on constitutional rights to personal privacy :fawk:

    Seriously...cops are incompetent the majority of the time. That article fails to address the true root of the topic. Society and individual self defense. I will always have a firearm whether illegal or legal to protect myself. I could care less about gun collectors I'm a gun owner. And as it was said on gunnutz.ca. Don't worry longrifle owners...after handguns get banned they'll be coming for you.
     
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    Samdog mmmmmm, turbo.....

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    Gee, this couldn't POSSIBLY be a leak in information from the GUN REGISTRY that every law-abiding firearms owner in this country is a part of. Or it couldn't be the Ontario law saying that anyone buying ammo has to have their firearms license # + address written in a book, and most of the time these books are sitting out in the open in stores like Wal Mart. :ugh:
     

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