GUN Got pulled over with a gun in the car

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  1. THT

    THT The easy way is always mined

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    While driving back from Iowa this weekend, I was two miles from Iowa City when the local PD pulled me over on I80. They come up to the pass. side, ask for license, registration, insurance which I hand over. I also tell them there is an UNloaded firearm in the trunk. This leads to me being escorted to the squad car while they search my car for any other weapons or illegal stuff (which I said they could...I don't have anything to hide). While one officer is searching, I'm talking to the other one and he asks what all has been done to the car. I tell him and it turns out he's into modding cars too. Then we get to talking about guns. I asked him what was dept. issue and he replied, "Glock 22." I almost said, "I'm sorry," :noes: but instead I said, "I shot that when I was searching for my USP but didn't like the light frame." He agreed that he preferred the "chunkier" frame of the USP. In the end, everything was cool and they didn't give me a tint ticket. The best part was they didn't write me a ticket for doing 77 in a 65 either...
     
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    While driving back from Iowa this weekend, I was two miles from Iowa City when the local PD pulled me over on I80. They come up to the pass. side, ask for license, registration, insurance which I hand over. I also tell them there is an UNloaded firearm in the trunk. This leads to me being escorted to the squad car while they search my car for any other weapons or illegal stuff (which I said they could...I don't have anything to hide). While one officer is searching, I'm talking to the other one and he asks what all has been done to the car. I tell him and it turns out he's into modding cars too. Then we get to talking about guns. I asked him what was dept. issue and he replied, "Glock 22." I almost said, "I'm sorry," [​IMG] but instead I said, "I shot that when I was searching for my USP but didn't like the light frame." He agreed that he preferred the "chunkier" frame of the USP. In the end, everything was cool and they didn't give me a tint ticket. The best part was they didn't write me a ticket for doing 77 in a 65 either...s
     
  3. Artyboy

    Artyboy Necessity is the excuse for every infringement of

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    I'm glad that worked out for you. Sucks that those fuckers hassled you just because you had a gun in the trunk, though.
     
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    oh didnt realize this wasnt offtopic and this was a serious forum
     
  5. Accord

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    Woahhh, bad move. Don't ever consent to a search, even if you have nothing to hide.

    I hate the ACLU just as much as the next guy, but they got this one video on their website about what to do if you're pulled over to make sure your rights are not violated that was really informative.
     
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    THT The easy way is always mined

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    Yeah, but it could've been a lot worse. They ran ALL of my info too... I think the combination of heavy tint, a modified car and an unloaded gun in the trunk was what drove them to search and quasi-interrogate me
     
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    THT The easy way is always mined

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    Do you mean this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NmC5wHfCdM
     
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    Sssnake meh

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    2 terms

    Probable Cause
    Reasonable Suspicion

    Both of these do not require consent. You can tell them that you don't give consent but that alone could be considered reasonable suspicion in some places.
     
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    Hello Constitutional violations. If it is lawful to travel with a weapon in the car, how does that give you suspicion to search a car? Searching based on denying a search means we should just toss the 4th amendment. The right to refuse a search doesn't make it so cops can search.
     
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    THT The easy way is always mined

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    Does heavy (illegal in the state) tint count as suspicion/probably cause?
     
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    I wouldnt of told them I had anything but then luckily my commie state doesnt require me to tell LEO's if I am carrying.
     
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    I don't see how heavy tint could be suspicion/probable cause for anything. They can write you a ticket for it, though.
     
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    It's not a violation as it's all been held up in court, repeatedly. If you give an officer reason to be suspicious then that's all it takes to do a search.

    Having a gun in the car isn't in itself necessarily illegal (unless it's carried against the laws of the locale) nor is heavy tint, but if you were to act nervous it adds to it. If you failed to disclose you had a gun in the car or on you and it is seen, even if it's legal, that can be considered suspicious.
    That's one of the reasons I always tell the officer I have a gun in the car and where it is, but I also know that that knowledge could lead to a search.
     
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    I agree, here they can't even pull you over for heavy tint. It's like not wearing a seatbelt, only a secondary offense.
     
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    If you are not required by law to inform an officer that you're carrying concealed or have a weapon in the car, then don't. If your weapon is securely encased, then it will not be exposed and you have nothing to worry about.

    Having a legally owned firearm in the car is not enough to allow them to search your car without permission, it doesn't matter what they say, they cannot search your car.

    Having tinted windows, a modified car, or anything else is not probable cause to search a car. You have rights, and you need to do whatever is necessary to make sure those rights are adhered to. If a cop decides to search your car because you have tinted windows, get a lawyer and sue the city, even if they find nothing and you go on your merry way.
     
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    "That guy has tinted windows, must be a fuckin drug dealer."
     
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    Vermincelli Banned

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    If I pull you over and happen to see a gun that wasn't declared, I am dragging you out of the car at gunpoint and cuff you until I can verify I am not in danger. I am going to search your car as well, whether you have a CCW or not and whether it's legal to carry it or not because I now have an undeclared weapon and a possible situation. Once I find out you have a CCW or that the weapon is legal, then we can proceed. If you declare there's a gun when I come up to the window, I may or may not have you step out depending on how you are acting or responding and take the gun until I am done. You can get a lawyer and sue away, but you aren't going to win.

    I have had CCW carriers who didn't declare and when they reached to get their registration, their guns were revealed. I have had people with guns stuck between seats that didn't declare. I have had guns fall out of glove boxes and I've even had a dog move a blanket and uncover a rifle. All of these meant out they came and in I went. You may "think" we can't search your car because of a legally owned gun but you are wrong.

    I'm not trying to be a jackass, I am trying to explain to you that there are many reasons and situations that can lead to suspicious activity. My safety and yours is my priority.
     
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    That's why I said to have it securely encased. Anyone who drives with an open rifle loose on their backseat, stuffed in between seats, or even loose in a glovebox is a dumbass.
     
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    Vermincelli Banned

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    In an SUV, a guncase still means a possible gun. In a glove box, even a holstered weapon is still visible. You can have it secured but if it's spotted, it's spotted. Here in NV it's legal to have a pistol laying in the seat or as I sometimes carry it, in between the seat and center console that's within quick reach.
    If it's a state that doesn't require you to tell the officer, then you don't have to, but that doesn't mean you automatically avoid being removed from the vehicle. I usually recommended to my students to tell police just to avoid a simple ticket turning into a felony stop. It still may happen depending on the cop and how you act, but it's a much smaller chance. Up to you, just letting you know the possible outcomes.
     
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    I just noticed you're in Carson City..... home of the world famous Bunny Ranch :bigthumb:.

    Have you ever gotten any bizarre calls out to any of the whore houses or have any good stories?
     
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    I worked up at Tahoe so missed all the weird ones down here.
    I've had my share of "lake flakes" though. Also during the winter there would be an abundance of hot little brazilian snow bunnies that would come work at the ski resorts. Nothing like walking into a hotel and have these half naked girls running up and hanging off you saying how they love cops in these oh so sexy accents. :)
     
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    I think you guys missed the point. A legally owned gun in the trunk that is declared does not along give you any reasonable suspicion. Not consenting to a search does not give reasonable suspecion either.
     
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    AH yes, because everything the courts uphold is truly Constitutional. Who the fuck doesn't act nervous when pulled over?
     
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    What fucking cop would pull you over for 12 over? That's what I want to know. Fuck that shit.
     

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