GUN Got an M44 ...

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  1. feetball

    feetball New Member

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    So I purchased an M44 Carbine from aimsurplus.

    What should I look for to make sure it is ok to fire? It had a tag on it saying it was milsurp and should be looked over by a gunsmith.

    I did notice the bolt was kinda loose when closed, but I attributed it from being a $69 rifle and there was no round in the chamber.

    Any other tips? Looking forward to the "fireball" and kick!!!
     
  2. Keesh

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    99.9% of the time it will be fine. If you're really worried about it blowing up on you, stand behind a tree and put it in front of the tree and pull the trigger for the first 1 or 2 shots.
     
  3. Cannondale

    Cannondale OT Supporter

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    I braved the first shot with mine at Red's. I wore safety goggles. No drama though.

    BTW: Good purchase. I have a few long rifles and the Mosins are by far my favorite milsurp. I hit things at 400 yards with my 91/30 with cheap ammunition.
     
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    itchiban New Member

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    I would just check the firing pin protrusion with the included tool. (well if you got the tool) Someone posted a good picture of it's use here the other day.
     
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    Screw the firing pin into the cocking knob until the back end is flush with the rear of the cocking knob and the slot lines up with the index mark. After fully assembling the bolt, decock it, make sure the bolt head is tight against the connector bar and check the firing pin protrusion with a gauge. The firing pin should touch the shallower (75) of the two center notches in the gauge and not touch the deeper (95) of the two center notches. If necessary, adjust by screwing the firing pin in or out of the cocking knob, always stopping with the index mark aligned.

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    feetball New Member

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    Thanks for the replies ... I didn't get a tool, but have a micrometer ... anyone know the spec?
     
  7. Cannondale

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    Not off the top of my head, unfortunately. :hs:
     
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    Sorry, I dont know what the markings indicate and i dont have a micrometer.

    Oh and one thing you might notice (I noticed it on 4 of the 5 different Mosins I've shot) is that after a while the bolt action gets harder to open. On one of my friends M44's after 20 or so rounds you have to slap the thing open. Anyway, if it starts doing that, just pull back on the bolt as if you were going to safety it, but just pull straight back. After it locks, then try to cycle the action. Makes it a bit easier to open. Well, for me it does.


    Mosin Vs. AK Vs. AR for some reposted lulz.
    http://62x54r.net/MosinID/MosinHumor.htm
     
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    I just got my M44 in the mail yesterday. Gonna strip it and clean it today. It's abosolutely covered in cosmoline.
     
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    If you are going to be getting a lot of surplus rifles, a beater electric stove might be a good investment. I got mine on craigslist for $20. I take the wood off of the gun and bake that baby and all the cosmo runs right off.
     
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    Dumbstixlars Ron Paul/AR-15/Glock/old car/Scooby/R/C croo OT Supporter

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    I have one you can borrow, but I want it back. :squint:
     
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    Thanks dood!

    Of course you'll get it back ... you do know where I work afterall..
     
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    Dumbstixlars Ron Paul/AR-15/Glock/old car/Scooby/R/C croo OT Supporter

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    OK, I just stuck it in my lunch satchel. Come and see me on Monday.
     
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    BigBadJohn Pay-back time OT Supporter

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    I was about to post this
    I just cleaned all the cosmoline in mine, manned up, and pulled the trigger
     
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    So I fired about 35 rounds from the M44 today ... oh what a blast this thing is to shoot!!!

    Only concern was the splitting of the brass. Should I be worried about it? This is the el cheapo Bulgarian ammo BTW.

    Here are the only split brass out of 35 rounds fired:
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    Certainly doesn't give you the warm/fuzzy does it?

    The vertical splitting around the necks is probably more of a brass issue than a gun issue. If you see horizontal splitting near the head, then you have major problems (and you might have already experienced your first KABOOM).

    The other possibility is improper headspacing, which can lead some sporty situations as well if it is too far off. Have you fired any "good" (new production) ammo through the rifle? If so, what did it look like? If not, I'd buy a box of S&B and shoot it to see what the brass looks like afterwards.

    Also, pay attention to how the bolt closes on a live round. A Mosin should be kinda stiff upon closure. If it has too little, it will seem really really stiff (or won't close at all). If there is too much headspace, it will seem really light, IE not much effort. I'd be leaning to the heavy side for these guns.

    These are all shadtree gunsmithing approaches as far as determining headspace, and certainly aren't conclusive. While it is probably just the old ammo getting brittle and cracking, the only way you'd know for sure is if you got a gunsmith (or bought the tools yourself) to check it. I'd imagine that most people don't have problems with their Mosins (given complaints I've heard) but remember that these are OLD ASS rifles, and they have been pretty much the opposite of safe queens. It wouldn't be the first time that something has been awry in the world of Mil-surps.
     
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    BigBadJohn Pay-back time OT Supporter

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    Shoot the cheapo steel ammo (romanian?)
    Probably will hold up very well. If youre experiencing problems with fractures with that you know youve got a problem
     
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    I hope you followed corrosive ammo cleaning procedures after you fired those rounds.
     
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    But of course!
     
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    Good deal. I've had good luck with that old Bulgarian stuff. I bought some that was so old, no one had even seen the headstamp before, but it was all still good.
     
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    Did you have case splitting like me?
     
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    I think I've had a few.
     

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