A&P Getting the right exposure with white shirt *PIC*

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  1. palbanes

    palbanes New Member

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    I slapped on a white shirt I had and went outside and took a quick cliche emo shot doing my best to try and expose a background,subject, and white shirt... I even used my polarizing filter to try and balance the reflection of light from a white shirt... the problem is the shirt still looks a little overexposed to me...

    I'm doing some portraits for a girl tomorrow she's going to be wearing a white top... is there any way to take better shots of bright shirts without bracketing?
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    meter on the shirt. use a reflecter to add light to subjects face.

    you can try fill flash with a diffuser over the flash or lower the power on your flash


    or just meter the shirt. its easier to fix underexposer than it is to fix blow outs in PS
     
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    Yeah I thought about that... I was going to meter her shirt then dodge her face
     
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    That is one manly looking girl there you are photographing. :ugh:
     
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    I was talking about the girl I'm photographing tomorrow... read much?
     
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    no no no, your meter wants to turn everything to 18% gray or middle gray, your midtone. If you meter for the shirt, it'll be middle gray. You want white with detail, so open up 2 stops from what the meter would say IF you metered it.

    If its outside, learn the sunny 16 rule (aka BDE) or meter something like the dark part of a clear blue sky, green grass, or normal skin tone
     
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    you want the right exposure to start, too hot and you'll have no detail, too low and noise will be present and the conrast will be muddy. PS is to enhance, not fix crappy photos.



    Learn the different ways your meter works, you have options with it.
     
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    Yeah, meter off the shirt with +2.0 eV or so of exposure compensation.

    if the face is getting dark, get a reflector to add some fill to the facial areas.
     
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    also, it is easier to fix over exposure than under exposure if you are using s digital camera, because highlights hold more information than shadows.
     
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    The Sunny 16 rule would be great if I was using a DSLR but my camera is limited to F9
     
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    you can do an equivalen t exposure. Say you were using ISO 100 and it was a bright sunny day, so BDE is 1/100 @ f/16, well thats the same as 1/200 @ f/11, 1/400 @ F/8, 1/800 @ f/5.6, 1/1600 @ f/4, 1/3200 @ F/2.8 etc
     
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    Yes, but if you overexpose badly then you will not be able to recover the information.
     
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    Get one of those neutral cards, the grey card, can't remember what it's called now, and meter off of that.
     
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    Where's the pic?
     
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    bracket.


    :mamoru:

    seriously though you just need to work out a metering technique that will avoid bleaching out the whites. white is meant to be white, but the shirt in the pic above is overexposed to the point where it's bleeding into the darker lines. you probably want 1/2 of a stop under that, at least.. so either use your normal metering technique and set exposure compensation or whatever.

    it actually doesn't matter if the brightest part of the shirts are white - because that's what you're trying to show. you just need to minimise the areas that are white and make sure it blends OK with the rest of the photo. use your camera's highlight function too, if it has one.
     
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    The best way to fix the problem of a white shirt is not necessarily to add more fill light to the face (although that works but you also add more light to the shirt) but rather to block the light that's hitting the shirt. We do this all the time in video and film production by using flags and or nets. Now I realize you don't have C-stands and flags at your disposal but you probably have a piece of cardboard and a broom. Tape the cardboard to the broom to make a "flag". Clamp the broom to a ladder or chair so that the "flags" shadow falls on the shirt. Problem solved.

    As for metering, always meter off the face or better yet, an 18 percent gray card. Never meter off a white shirt unless you want everything to be underexposed.
     
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    Where can you get a 18% gray card?
     
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    This, I already know. :p
     
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    If I make a black layer in photoshop and set opacity to 18% and print it out at my work (Kinkos) how accurate would that be?
     
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