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  1. Yuppy

    Yuppy Have a seat right there....

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    I would like to know how you think someone should go about getting started educating themselves on web design.

    I know I could teach myself, however I enjoy going to classes and having professors as a resource.

    I was wondering which classes you would recommend I take and in which order.

    i know very basic code, very very basic. but I want to know more.

    1) Creating Web Pages 15 Hours
    Web page layout, design, and basic HTML coding.

    2) Intro to ASP-Act. Server Pages 15 Hours
    Introduction course in the use Active Server Pages. Some type of scripting
    language preferred.

    3) HTML Basics 6 Hours
    Web page layout, design, and basic HTML coding

    4) HTML Intermediate 6 Hours
    Create well-formed code that conforms to the XHTML standard.
    Modify tables and create nested tables. Images and image maps

    5) HTML Advanced 6 Hours
    Apply the meta tag and understand how JavaScript is embedded into
    HTML documents.

    6) HTML Style Sheets 6 Hours
    Use style sheets to design web documents.

    7) Dreamweaver MX Lev 1 (Windows) 6 Hours
    Concepts of the Dreamweaver MX web development application

    8) Enhance Web Pages w/JavaScript 6 Hours
    JavaScript: The What, Where, and How
    (this class is on valentines day, lol.... )

    9) Fireworks MX Level I 6 Hours
    The Fireworks environment

    10) Flash 8 Hours
    Introduction to Flash

    These are my choices for courses.

    I would like to know what order you would recommend I take these in?



    Also, what should I expect if I wanted to take a class on HTML Basics? I dont want to spend 200 dollars to be taught how to make links on a webpage. I know how to do that.

    I guess I know up until it the web design includes forms. I always have had trouble with forms and frames.


    I want to be able to sit down and eventually make a website that looks profession. I want to include flash, and all the other bells and whistles. Frames, etc


    thanks any help would be great
     
  2. JesterFX

    JesterFX New Member

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    Sams "teach yourself html in 24 hours" lol ;).

    Although some classes could be useful overall you would probably be better off if you just got out there and started learning by doing. I learned all I needed to know about html in one night with the book mentioned above and the rest I picked up while doing specific things as needed.

    There is so much really great information online that you don't even need books anymore (unless you are the type that has a hard time learning from reading a monitor).

    A really great way to learn is just to get some hosting and just get started. after learning the basics of html, you could try just grabbing some premade templates from places like http://www.oswd.org/. Then just throw that up on your hosting and try to change things around to get an idea what does what and why. Ideally you would just use notepad to do any editing of the HTML so you can really learn it. Then once you know it you could use some of the WYSIWYG editors to save time after you know the code.

    As far as the design part, that's a bit harder. It actually takes some skill and talent to be able to lay out and design a great looking site. You can definitelyl learn the basics of good design even if you are not talented and follow some basic "rules" but it's kind of hard to learn to be a great designer.

    Learning the basics of photoshop just to get you around is usually pretty easy as there are millions of tutorials online. Most everything else you pick up as you need it.
     
  3. maxxpower

    maxxpower OG Lauren Crew - Observer OT Supporter

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    Man, tough question.
    Personally, I would recommend laying focus to the coding parts and hold off on the graphic (firewords/flash) until later if you find that you need it.
    Too many people try to become masters of all instead of focusing on the basics.
    There is nothing wrong with becoming an AWESOME coder but not knowing shit about graphics design.

    That being said, I would use my time on the internet and teach myselfs the HTML basics and use the cash for next level shit.

    HTML basic - learn at thome
    HTML intermediate course
    PHP intermediates

    Then maybe an SQL course.

    Come back after those and you will probably know where you need to go next.
     
  4. maxxpower

    maxxpower OG Lauren Crew - Observer OT Supporter

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    Here is another way of puting it...
    A shitty coder can always learn how to do it correctly and get better.
    A shitty artist will always be a shitty artist. Its a talent that is developed from an early age. Most graphics designers are long standing artists and just turned to the computer/internet as another media. Now, if you have a talent for it, by all means get better.
     
  5. Yuppy

    Yuppy Have a seat right there....

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    yea im always going to be a shitty artist, i know that much
     
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    maxxpower OG Lauren Crew - Observer OT Supporter

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    Then stick to coding :)

    Most web guys are self taught. Its really not that difficult once you get into it.
    Another thread idea would be...
    I want to start coding basic websites and learn how this shit is done, point me towards some good beginners and intermediate websites that I can use to teach myself.
    Way better than taking a class (IMO).
    There is no better textbook than the internet and its always free.
     
  7. Yuppy

    Yuppy Have a seat right there....

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    First off; Im going to need software right? What should I have?

    eventually I want to be able to make a pretty high tech website. what tools do most people use nowadays?
     
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    maxxpower OG Lauren Crew - Observer OT Supporter

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    To start... you dont need anything but a host, notepad and filezilla. That should keep you busy for about a year.

    To get started, get a cheap linux hosting account, i think one of the banners here on OT have a host that runs about $4 a month.
    Download filezilla.
    Find a copy of photoshop for the basic graphic crap.
    ????
    Profit.
     
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    maxxpower OG Lauren Crew - Observer OT Supporter

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    There are a million tutorials on the beginnings, I did a quick google and came up with this.. http://www.how-to-build-websites.com/
    Actually went through about 20 pages of that and its a good amount of information for someone just starting.
     
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    maxxpower OG Lauren Crew - Observer OT Supporter

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    Im off on vacation, flight leaves in a few hours so i cant help much more.
    If you dont have the cash for a host, I have a host I can give you some space, ftp and a database. That way you wont need to spend any real cash until you really need too. But, Im off to caribbean for a week so PM me next weekend sometime and I will hook you up if you still need it.

    Get reading.
     
  11. Yuppy

    Yuppy Have a seat right there....

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    thanks man, ill start looking into it.

    i want to sort of make a starter webpage, with free hosting, wihtout using a template (since I want to eventually make my own, without using templates)

    a free host would be great. geocities still around? i used to have an N64 webpage. wayyy back in the day. lol
     
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    maxxpower OG Lauren Crew - Observer OT Supporter

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    You can use dailyjb.com for now, I will send you the credentials.
    No porn or illegal material.
     
  13. Yuppy

    Yuppy Have a seat right there....

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    yea im not worried about porn.
    not really a site i wanna try to make
     
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    maxxpower OG Lauren Crew - Observer OT Supporter

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    K dude, just sent you usernames/pw for phpmyadmin, ftp etc. Get reading and build some shit. I will be back in a week to see how far you got :)
     
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    thanks buddy
     
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    fuck php

    -learn html
    -learn css
    -learn ruby on rails
     
  17. Yuppy

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    ruby on rails?
     
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    Honestly, that is terrible advice. PHP is used all over the place and it makes perfect sense for a beginner to learn it. He will have more resources for learning php than any other language. It's a great way to get started.

    Learn xhtml, and as soon as you have the basics down, start learning css along with it. It won't take you that long to get the general idea down. From then on, it's just practice and practice until you are really good. There is no definitive end to learning css, the experts are constantly inventing new methods of laying things out, and there is never a set way of doing things, just a set of standards to follow.

    After you have them down ok, start learning php and mysql. Mysql is a database many php applications interact with. At that point, you will be WELL on your way to being able to create just about any type of web app. After that you can do whatever, learn more languages, Ruby on Rails, Python, whatever!
     
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    You don't need to "take a course" to master HTML. Any time you end up stumped, the answer is somewhere online, and not difficult to find -- teach yourself.

    Another suggestion is to not waste your resources reinventing the wheel. There are tons of open source solutions out there with (often free) frameworks that you can start out with.

    I know nothing of web design -- just a bit of html and photoshop skills. I use a Joomla core (content management) and some custom components. All I need to do is customize the look and functionality.

    Sooo... I suggest another question you should ask yourself is how deeply you'd like to learn the "under the hood" stuff, and towards what objective.

    Good luck!
     
  20. Yuppy

    Yuppy Have a seat right there....

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    well im getting to know Dreamweaver via the Dreamweaver MX Tutorials; published in 2002. . . .im almost through the book. i broke my fuckin printer, so im going to go buy a new one in a little bit so i can print off a few more pdf files i found of e-books
     
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    learn HTML then learn to use dreamweaver ;)
     
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    yea i know, i should but ive only got about 20 pages left in this tutorial, i know most html, but not enough to call myself competent, forms give me a lot of trouble still. my next read will be html4 for dummies..... ill prolly skim the first 100 page though of that, then ill find somethin new i can use
     
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    There really isn't a whole lot to HTML and once you know it you realize how easy it always was. But no need to memorize it all. Once you know the basics and the most common tags and such you can easily get by. But knowing HTML before using a WYSIWYG is helpful if you need to find specific things or fix problems.
     
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    that's my personal opinion. there are tons of php guys, time a dozen.

    with rails you have convention over configuration, agility, and simplicity...something php is NOT. he can have a working scaffold up in 10-15 minutes with rails, doing what would take him 5-10x as long in php.

    it also seperates application logic from design, from the database...in php, that's a bitch. imo, for a new person, if you want to see where the web is headed...it's rails.

    but don't ask me, i don't do this for a living or anything
     
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    http://rubyonrails.org/

    if you have to ask something that simple and can't find it yourself, you're going to have a pita of a time learning any language
     

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