MIL Gen McChrystal at it again.

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  1. brackac

    brackac Fuck all of this. OT Supporter

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    This is micromanagement at its dumbest. Gen McNuggets is making it impossible to engage the enemy with his new ROE, and is putting way to many feathers in his beret.

    Most of the U.S. Special Operations forces in Afghanistan now are under direct control of Gen. Stanley McCrystal, the top U.S. commander in that country said.

    McChrystal said the decision to bring most of the special operations troops under his control was made in response to high civilian casualties and reports the Special Forces troops were operating as cowboys, The New York Times reported Tuesday.

    "What happens is, sometimes at cross-purposes, you got one hand doing one thing and one hand doing the other, both trying to do the right thing but working without a good outcome," McChrystal told the Times.


    http://www.military.com/news/article/special-forces-now-report-to-mcchrystal.html?wh=wh
     
  2. eu4ia

    eu4ia Active Member

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    Yeah thats gotta be pretty lame having to deal with a really restrictive ROE as an attack pilot.
     
  3. NEp8ntballer

    NEp8ntballer New Member

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    definitely sounds like some micromanaging is going on. Looks like Vietnam didn't teach anything at all...
     
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    recently read an awesome book called Afghanistan: The Troubled Future of Unconvential Warfare by a former career special forces officer now professor at the Naval Postgrad Academy....basically he said special forces are "hyper conventional" these days which is one of the reasons we're failing over there.

    As the enemy becomes more and more unconventional, the Army and the SF become even more conventional and one of the reasons why is because of the micromanaging. he also said the selection process looks for badass door kickers instead of those with unconventional skills these days.

    If anyone else has recommendations on books about insurgency, counter-insurgency, or unconventional warfare let me know :o
     
  6. cossack

    cossack Resident thread killer

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    fuck our lives.
     
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    I think he's trying to steer AFG the same direction Chechnya went for the Russians. Rebels there got so good at what they were doing they eventually got enough rope to hang themselves. They killed way too many civilians and by the end of it the Russians were responsible for very little collateral, the people got sick of the insurgents and the movement sort of died out at least long enough for local security forces to be able to handle themselves.

    Isn't the General a career SOF officer himself? I think he understands COIN and UW.
     
  8. Jyokker

    Jyokker The trouser snake is very aggressive. It will corn

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    Was religion a factor?
     
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    Yes, it was an Islamic insurgency. The original Chechen groups were nationalist/separatist, but with the rise of middle-eastern extremism, it slowly shifted to an Islamic insurgency with some similarities to the one in Afghanistan now IOT join the 'international jihad' ($$$).

    One of the major differences between the two is the level of training. With the fall of the Soviet Union, many soldiers and officers from all over the Soviet Army, including Spetsnaz, joined the movement. By the early 2000s these guys were all over the world assisting Arab jihadists (as far as Algeria, Libya, Lebanon and Iraq). They were also part of the reception when you guys first walked into Afghanistan.
     

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