Competing in IPSC and IDPA are not the most effective ways of training, period. The skills and equipment that win matches are not the skills and equipment that will save your life in a gun fight. Games are not training. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=847070&page=1 So how many of you know the guys that get off to reading the latest reports of training by Special Operator Big Balls that can't shoot worth a damn? What's the OT take?