FWD: Where do you stand?

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  1. Purchasing/Tuning a FWD car is a waste of money. Period.

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  2. For price to power, it’s worth purchasing/tuning some FWD cars, despite hp/torque barriers

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  1. pitchblue

    pitchblue New Member

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    So, we've all heard of the various downfalls of FWD and the benefits of RWD/AWD; my question is:


    How many people honestly have felt that FWD has severely limited their car performance wise? Or how many people believe that FWD is a waste of time and tuning money?
     
  2. SinisterHand

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    I generally wouldn't buy a FWD car, but there are a few FWD cars that I wouldn't mind owning. A GTI or a Cooper S come to mind, they handle really well and are extremely fun to drive. As long as you are aware of the power limitations and can accept that, then I don't see a problem with getting a FWD car.
     
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    The answer is the same.
     
  6. pitchblue

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    cool man
     
  7. deusexaethera

    deusexaethera OT Supporter

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    Torque steer can be eliminated through proper tuning. Understeer can't be eliminated under all conditions, but the same goes for RWD. It's easier to recover from hydroplaning in a FWD. The 300hp barrier is an issue, but 300hp is plenty of power in any road car. FWD is infinitely easier than RWD to drive in shitty weather.
     
  8. THT

    THT The easy way is always mined

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    I'm done messing with my FWD car and I have yet to break 300whp. It's fun at first but then it gets frustrating and takes away from the joy of modding. Even after the $1,200 Quaife LSD, my traction issues are enough that I'm abandoning the platform.
     
  9. danonboost

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    :rofl:

    Oh man, another gem.
     
  10. pitchblue

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    basically what i'm feeling
     
  11. deusexaethera

    deusexaethera OT Supporter

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    I guarantee you it can be. Just because you don't know how doesn't make it not so. My car has never torque steered, not even once.

    No, it's not because of me, it's because VW knows how to build a good powertrain. They just can't seal it against leaks, that's all.
     
  12. deusexaethera

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    What wheels/tires do you have?
     
  13. Wiggity Wiznerd

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    if performance were my goal, I'd never waste my time with FWD
     
  14. aquabat911sc

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    I'm not disagreeing with you but, this is debatable. You can elimminate torque steer up to a certain point, but at what expense? It is realtively simple to get rid of it in a car with 200 - 250 lb-ft of torque at the wheels, but you get much above that and you are looking at either dealing with some torque steer or sacrificing handling.

    You can run zero scrub radius, no camber, no toe and a really aggressive LSD, but that will result in a horribly handling vehicle, basically a drag car.

    The GTI is a great example. Stock it has just about no torque steer, even chipped it has basically no torque sterr, but you start adding power beyond that, and it becomes very difficult to tune out of the car.

    I personally love FWD cars. We have an 07 Cooper S longtermer right now that is just about as much fun as you can have in a car. I know lots of people think they have to hate FWD cars to show they are "real enthusiasts", but I think it comes down to how well the car is prepared. These are the same people that say they can't have fun in a car unless it has 500+hp.
     
  15. THT

    THT The easy way is always mined

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    Volk Evolution IVs (18x8 and 18x9) wrapped in 245/40/18 and 265/35/18 Toyo T1R tires which are stickier than the Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3s I had. Even then, a hard shift into second gear results in a loud screech that doesn't end until I let off the gas...
     
  16. danonboost

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    You said you could tune the car so it won't torque steer. That is ridiculous.
    Cars can be engineered to minimize the effects.

    Engineered != Tuning :squint:
     
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    works fine for me but all i need to do is keep up with traffic so :dunno:
     
  18. deusexaethera

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    Tuning == Engineering after the car is built.

    Anyway, if the effects are so minimal that they haven't been noticed in several years of daily use, then the effects are gone.
     
  19. danonboost

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    Engineering is designing/creating, not adjusting. They are NOT the same.
     
  20. deusexaethera

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    Such a narrow mind...

    Yes, you're right that adjusting isn't the same as designing and creating, but anybody who's tuned their car has replaced at least one part on it, at which point they have changed the design of the car. If they put thought into it beforehand, and figured out what the best approach to changing the design is, then they were "doing" engineering. And they were also "doing" tuning. The two activities overlap, unless you do everything purely on whim.

    Engineering is the whole process of bringing something from thought, to paper, to assembly line, to store shelf, to home, to junkyard. A well-engineered product goes through each phase in a predictable manner; the engineering process doesn't stop when the blueprint is signed. Trust me on this one; I have a degree in it.
     
  21. GuiltySparc

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    incorrect, a lot of people with 2007 STis, for example, have done a lot of tuning without replacing any mechanical parts.

    But i agree with you in principle. Tuning is just another word for engineering the software that controls modern cars.
     
  22. danonboost

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    He is talking about tuning away torque steer...

    That is retarded.
     
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  23. deusexaethera

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    I work in software. Software is just another part to me. I guess not many people look at it that way, but anyone who's ever chipped their car and suddenly had a car that handles differently because of the extra power knows it's true.
     
  24. GuiltySparc

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    i dunno, adjusting mechanical features is called tuning in forza...
     
  25. danonboost

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    Haha. Alright whatever you guys think.
     

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