MMA From Bare-Knuckles to Modern Boxing: How Gloves have changed the Art of Pugilism

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  1. Joe_Cool

    Joe_Cool Never trust a woman or a government. Moderator

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    I stumbled across this article about how gloves have made boxing "softer" over the years. He brings up a few things about defense in particular that bring to mind the way Anderson Silva punched right through Forrest Griffin's guard unhindered. It's an interesting read.

    From Bare-Knuckles to Modern Boxing




    And more stuff here: http://www.savateaustralia.com/Savate Essays/savate essays_main.htm
     
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  2. Optamix

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    That was a good read.
     
  3. kroneX

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    Not that i know too much about striking, but I always wondered why more 'straight' punches arn't thrown and why everyone loves big rights and lefts.
     
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    KO power.
     
  5. wallydog11

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    you can block a straight punch and take little to no damage, but even if you block a hard left/right you're going to feel it.
     
  6. Joe_Cool

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    :werd: You get more power from twisting your hips.

    Plus big hooking punches go around the guard, whereas you can't punch through it with 16 oz gloves on.
     
  7. Phill A. Peno

    Phill A. Peno It's Filipino, stupid. OTTC, Cycling Crew, WRX Cr OT Supporter

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    bringing laptop to read this on the shitter, brb
     
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    Phill A. Peno It's Filipino, stupid. OTTC, Cycling Crew, WRX Cr OT Supporter

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    that vertical punch reminded me of bruce lee's one inch punch. Makes sense now.
     
  9. Joe_Cool

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    Bump because I felt like reading this again, and maybe somebody else might also.

    I updated the link in the first post, because the article was deleted from the original site.
     
  10. Joe_Cool

    Joe_Cool Never trust a woman or a government. Moderator

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    It's a good explanation of why Boxing striking isn't BETTER than MMA striking, it's just different.
     
  11. pereza

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    It's leagues ahead of MMA striking...
     
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    Savage5point0 Im an asshole.

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    I agree and disagree.
     
  14. Joe_Cool

    Joe_Cool Never trust a woman or a government. Moderator

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    Boxers tend to be better punchers than MMA fighters because they do nothing but work on punching. Not because boxing style punching is better. Boxing style striking is by far the best for the rules and equipment in the sport of boxing. But without the giant suitcases on your hands, when you can hit below the belt, when you can kick and tie up and do takedowns, when you can hit with elbows, knees, shins, and feet, things change and the technique needs to change with it.

    As they point out in the article (did you read it, or are you just running your mouth?), boxing isn't the way it is because it's reached the pinnacle of punching evolution, it's because rule and equipment changes have pushed it to where it is now.
     
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    I read it all and still believe it is superior to MMA striking. I dont believe there is another art that punches better than boxing regardless of the equipment used. 8oz gloves are not as large as many of you assume they are. Kicking, elbowing and kneeing are cool, but how many men can master all of this shit and effectively use it in a fight. I have seen men in MMA dominated with a simple jab and body shots.

    I personally think all you need are leg kicks and some great hands to dominate the stand up.

    Great article by the way. Didnt mean to shit on the thread.
     
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    these completely change the game from straight boxing. you just disproved your own point
     
  17. Exiled

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    No he's right in a sense, you can see though how MMA will evolve..

    Anderson Silva, Cung Le are an example of it, I think either of those 2 have an edge in mma striking that trumps the mastery of traditional boxing that we are talking about
     
  18. Joe_Cool

    Joe_Cool Never trust a woman or a government. Moderator

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    Discussions aren't as interesting when everybody just goes "oh yeah, I agree". :rofl: :h5:
     

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