Ford to Lighten, Tighten the next Lightning

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    By RICHARD TRUETT | Automotive News

    DETROIT -- Ford Motor Co. has no intention of letting the new 500-hp Dodge SRT-10 keep the title of world's fastest truck.

    But John Coletti, director of Ford's Special Vehicle Team, acknowledges that automakers have hit a wall on how much horsepower they can give a vehicle. So the automaker will make the next-generation Ford F-150 Lightning pickup go faster by removing weight and improving handling.

    "In the next generation, we've got to worry about efficiency, weight and better control," he says. "You can get great power-to-weight ratio without a fountain of horsepower."

    Until the Ram SRT-10 pickup debuted this year, the Lightning had been the unchallenged leader in performance trucks for more than a decade.

    But in February, the SRT-10 clocked a record speed of 154.587 mph.

    Ford SVT engineers have experience in reducing weight with the 2002 Mustang Cobra R, a version for performance enthusiasts.

    Strong, lightweight materials such as carbon fiber, magnesium, aluminum, ceramics and plastics can substitute for steel parts without major re-engineering.

    Coletti says lighter parts and better-handling suspension systems might not come simultaneously.

    "You'll start seeing it in incremental steps," he says. "Now that we have the engines where we want them, the question is what do you do with the rest of the car? Clearly you have to start looking at the weight aspect of it. If I could take 300 or 400 pounds out of the car, I wouldn't have to add any more horsepower. It would just be an incredibly faster, better handling, better braking car. All the attributes would improve."

    Coletti believes automakers risk attracting attention from government regulators and the insurance industry by constantly increasing horsepower in their performance-oriented vehicles.

    In the last two years, the number of vehicles with engines producing 400 hp to 500 hp and more has grown quickly.

    "The focus now has to be better efficiency and weight reduction," Coletti says.

    In the heyday of the American muscle car in the late 1960s, only a small number of limited-production vehicles made more than 400 hp.

    The ratings of most Pontiac GTOs, Ford Mustangs, Dodge Chargers and Chevrolet Corvettes were in the 300-hp to 375-hp range.

    Today, there are at least 14 cars and trucks with at least 400 hp.

    Says Coletti: "We're hitting the limit."

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    I wonder where Dodge is on that whole 'limit' area. :hs:
     
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    Dodge doesn't understand limits or self-restraint. If they didn't they'd limit the size of those goddamn grilles on their vehicles.
     
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    The F150 SVT Tightening :embd:
     
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    I hope they apply that to the next SVT Cobra. The mustang is already stupid heavy
     
  7. Reducing weight does nothing for maximum speed though, does it?
     
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    SVT has their work cut out for them with the next Lightning, the new F-150 is one heavy mo-fo. :o
     
  10. How many .lbs curb weight?
     
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    F-150 regular cab, short bed, 2WD = 4788 lbs.
     
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    :cool: :bj: I want one! I think they look badass.
     
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    Are they going to be around 33k? Anyone know?
     
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    It's gonna be more than the current one, how much more remains to be seen.
     
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    I'm get the impression that they aren't going to go to 500HP for production.

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    doesn't matter. I'd rather it be ~400hp and cost 32-34k than be 500hp and cost as much as that shitty dodge. The thing is, it will still have monster torque like the current lightning. It's not as if it takes very much modding to even get a '99 up to 500hp
     
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    As long as they reduce the weight of the f150 platform to around that of the current f150, it will spank the fuck out of that pig-assed dodge :mamoru:
     
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    Also, the new T1 platform opens the way for a lightning with independant rear suspension :eek3:

     
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    Trouble is, using the materials they're talking about adds to the cost as well as reducing the weight.

    We'll have to wait and see how it turns out, and how Dodge responds. :naughty:
     
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    The really exciting thing is to see if they will get the 6 speed in there. It would be REALLY cool to have one with a short throw, and not a typical nasty truck shifter.

    If they can keep it under 5000lbs, it will be teh win. If it ends up being a fatass, it will suck.
     
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    I'd still rather have THIS muscle truck over the Lightning or SRT-10 though.

    Lighter, handles much better, it's a turbo, and will easily walk them both for the least amount of money. :big grin:
     

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