MMA For the bigger guys: Do you find it harder to pass guard on smaller guys?

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  1. Intellex

    Intellex Dogs love me cause I'm crazy sniffable OT Supporter

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    For instance, when (they are) starting side guard, I have a hell of a time with the smaller people in my class because the opening between waist and leg is so small. Size wise, it's pretty easy to throw them around, but that doesn't do much besides wear me out.

    Any tips?
     
  2. brolli

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    I'd definitely much rather be in a small guy's guard than a hulking 230 lbs guy. Its really easy to pass a small guy's guard assuming you guys have similar skill, because you have the strength to hold his hips down with your arms while creating distance and getting a knee under his butt to pry the guard open. Against bigger guys, it is much more difficult to hold them down to create the gap, but then again I would probably use a different guard pass on them.

    Something neat I learned recently actually: I call it the "prison shower" guard pass. So lets say you are in someone's guard, you put both of your hands in your opponent's armpits and push hard while standing up and leaning over and the same time (with bent knees). immediately get a knee BETWEEN you and his guard (so the knee is actually coming up into the hole his guard creates) and sit back down. It should put a lot of pressure in his guard (and subsequently hurts his ass too hence the name) and break it open.
     
  3. Intellex

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    It must just be a skill thing then. I'm very new...but some of the bigger guys have been easier for me than the smaller guys.
     
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    yeah usually the bigger guys develop their top game first, whereas the little guys develop more technical guards. I wouldn't be surprised if you are passing the big guy's guards easily right now. But eventually I think you will notice that the little guys start becoming more and more like ragdolls.
     
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    how long have you been training exactly and where? also how much do you weigh? (I think I've seen pics of you in f&n and you seemed pretty huge)
     
  6. Intellex

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    I've only been training for a month

    I'm 195 and a pretty good size.
     
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    where do you train?
     
  8. Intellex

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    Someone in my sub.wrestling class does that exact same move to me all the time, usually I always counter by just letting go of the closed guard and pushing the knee away at the same time and put him back into an open/closed guard, whatever is there.

    But it hurts like a bitch. It works.
     
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    chechen Brazilian Jiu Jitsu OT Supporter

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    it usually hard to pass guard on a smaller guy because of his flexibility

    im only 5'7 and have very short legs but enormous dudes have trouble passing my guard because i just bend in strange ways.

    you really have to learn how to pin or kill the legs, a month of training isnt going to be enough to get that down effectively. guard passing is something you can never train enough.

    youre not going to just plough through their guard because youre stronger or bigger, youre really going to have to learn how to use that strength and weight, doesnt happen overnight
     
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    chechen Brazilian Jiu Jitsu OT Supporter

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    and i'd love to roll with some OTers :)
     
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    lol....my instructor wouldn't let me do anything but pull guard fro the first 3 months I rolled their. mainly because big guys with a traditional wrestling background just never learn to be comfortable on their back. I am thankful though because i have a shitload of great sweeps and subs off my back which means I can relax more in the scramble and be confident that i won't be held down if i don't end up with a dominant position.

    As far as your question goes Intell, if a smaller guy balls up and wants to play the "pull butterfly and stall" game, I'll take an over under up top and throw my hips out to the side and they end up in kesa gatamie or if you want to switch to side control easily. The other thing i would suggest is to learn to lock up and fall back with a heel hook/ toe hook.

    How have they taught you to pass so far?
     
  13. chechen

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    :rofl: the last thing he needs to be learning after one month is heel hooks. everyones advice is great, but what he needs to do is keep training. thats it. everyone knows what they should do, its just a matter of practicing enough so you can actually do it.
     
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    yeah I hate it when the blue belts in class go for heel hooks/toe holds/kneebars, cuz I don't know how to defend them very well.
     
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    Ohh, totally wasn't expecting to. I just wanted some tips in case I could be better by trying something different.

    I'm just trying to learn
     
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    This is all I know:

    Say they're on my right side, I'm on my back. I've been taught to get my right elbow into their waist (again hard on smaller guys) then push their head up with left bicep and hip out. Thus creating space to get the right (bottom) knee into their waist so you can move towards full guard.
     
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    come visit me sometime and ill teach you :)
     
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    I thought you lived in Canada?
     
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    i live in los angeles
     
  20. Intellex

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    :cool:

    I might.

    Where do you train?
     
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    get some vids...i wanna see! and i'm not being gay this time
     
  23. Intellex

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    What see me get my ass kicked by someone nearly 40 lbs lighter than me?
     
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    hah vids sounds like a good idea. I'll try to get some up as well. Do any of you guys live near baltimore MD by any chance?
     
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    i want to learn too :hs:





    that, i'm being gay again :kdubb:
     

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