GUN Fl lowest crime rate in 14 years because of guns

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  1. TL1000RSquid

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    http://cbs4.com/topstories/local_story_192171735.html

    Jul 11, 2006 5:39 pm US/Eastern
    Florida's Crime Rate Continues To Drop

    (CBS4/AP) TALLAHASSEE Governor Jeb Bush is boasting about the state’s crime statistics, citing a drop in crime for the 14th straight year, according to a report compiled by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

    Florida's crime rate dropped for the 14th straight year in 2005 to its lowest mark since 1971 because of tougher laws, increased financial support from the Legislature and law-abiding citizens with guns, the governor said Tuesday.

    "This report shows that staying tough on crime works," said Bush. "Law abiding citizens that have guns for protection actually probably are part of the reason we have a lower crime rate."

    The crime rate, compiled by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, decreased 3.7 percent from 4,855 crimes per 100,000 people in 2004 to 4,677 crimes per 100,000 people last year. The total included 881 murders, 12,230 rapes and 75,204 vehicle thefts.

    In 2005, the state's law enforcement agencies reported 838,063 crimes compared to 850,490 in 2004, a 1.5 percent decrease.

    Last year Bush signed a bill that allows people who feel threatened on the street, in a bar, at a ball game -- or just about anywhere -- to "meet force with force" to defend themselves without fear of being prosecuted. Opponents said the idea would legalize shootouts in the streets.

    Bush said he was concerned about the number of murders in the Jacksonville and Orlando areas, where there have already been 120 homicides this year.

    FDLE chief Jerry Bailey said he has assigned seven agents to help Jacksonville officials with the troubling increase in murders and is working with law enforcement in central Florida on forming a task force.

    The number of violent crimes in 2005 increased statewide by 1.7 percent although the rate dropped 0.6 percent and nonviolent crime decreased by 4.2 percent. Violent crimes are murder, forcible sex offenses, robbery and aggravated assault.

    Reports of domestic violence were up slightly and those incidents accounted for more than a fourth of the reported violent crimes and one-fifth of all murders, according to FDLE.

    "The people that commit the majority of the crimes are habitual offenders," Bush said. "They're the ones that commit a crime after crime after crime."

    For the second straight year, authorities made more than one million arrests. The 1,056,121 arrests in 2005 represented a 2.6 percent increase.

    Drug arrests continued to increase, going from 150,334 to 160,649. Last year they increased nearly 10 percent. ------

    (© 2006 CBS Broadcasting Inc. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. The Associated Press contributed to this report.)
     
  2. gyeagle1

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    We are slowely killing off all the New Yorkers
     
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    cool shit :cool:
     
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    This disturbs me. Look at all the victimless crime. Tax dollars at work!
     
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    TL1000RSquid ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

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    Torn on that issue, weed I dont think is any worse then alcohol no reason my tax money should be used to lock people up for decades over growing a plant, on the other hand I wouldnt want crackheads and meth heads running all over the place. The laws need to be reworked but I dont think all drugs should be made legal :dunno:
     
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    So where were all these shootouts that should've happened? Or is it just more lefty bullshit.... :rolleyes:
     
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    It's crazy down here. There are gunfights and bodies lying around everywhere. No really it is. :hsugh:
     
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    I would move to Florida if there weren't so many Cubans.

    Just joshing.
     
  11. F.O.D.

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    wow a levelheaded bush...this is a sign of the apocalypse
     
  12. DaJMan

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    well done florida!!! hopefully you will set a trend for not only the rest of the US, but maybe the world :)
     
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    More liberal use of capital punishment ftw.

    As for drugs make them legal and punish the idiots that abuse them. Drinking is legal but if you get caught drinking and driving you're fucked. Guess what? A lot fewer people drink and drive now!
     
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    very cool. I wish other states were as smart.
     
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    Its good press the gov, but I'm not convinced theres a link. I don't know how you could ever make a good study that would be able to pick out factors influencing the crime rate to limit it to such a fine degree either. To me its like saying, I haven't bought a new car, so clearly me driving my old car keeps crime low. cum hoc ergo propter hoc
     
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    Maybe you could make the point that there are now more guns on the street and looser gun laws but it's not the wild west in Florida with shootouts all over the place.

    Or look at the crime rate of places with banned guns vs crime rate of places with a lot of guns :dunno:
     
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    That's good enough for me :dunno:. It makes perfect sense.
     
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    luvitlo94 Make a choice and don't look back.

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    From the story I just posted:

    Washington, D.C. is famous for its insanely restrictive anti-gun laws. It has been illegal since 1976 to have an assembled and loaded firearm, even in your home, in D.C. Carrying a handgun for self-protection is against the law. For some reason, Democrats seem to be unable to explain the dramatic 72 percent rise in the D.C. homicide rate between 1976 and 2001

    ......it's not fucking rocket science.
     
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    Illinois' murder rates have fallen from 10.3 murders per 1,000 people in 1995 to 6.1 in 2004. Florida's has fallen from 7.3 to 5.4. Wisconsins has went from 5.1 to 2.8. If florida's falling crime rates are attributed to armed citizens, what do you attribute the drop in Illinois and Wisconsin murder rates to?
     
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    this is very true in jacksonville. every other day you hear about a murder.

    suck it brady:fawk:
     
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    Still not completely illegal like DC. Chicago too. Both have extremely restrictive gun laws and high murder rates.

    You can still get guns in illinois and Wisconsin though I don't fully know their laws. Can they be used in self-defense during a break-in?
     
  24. Aequitas

    Aequitas If it keeps on raining, levee's going to break.

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    I don't like it how they say "homicides" instead of murders, because the amount of murders is less. On the news in Jax every night they tell how many homicides there's been, but not how many are justifiable homicides.
     
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    That still doesn't answer the question. If you attribute the dropping murder rate in Florida to concealed carry, what do you attribute it falling to in Illinois (including chicago) and Wisconsin? Chicago effectively bans handguns, otherwise as far as I'm aware handguns and long guns are legal almost everywhere in both states, just not for carry. Why do jackson and orlando have higher crime rates? Why is violent crime up in Florida in 2005? Guns aren't illegal. Concealed carry is. Whats the problem? Using the simple correleation you're using I could conclude that the gun control measures in chicago are keeping it safer than orlando's loose gun control.

    Here's the thing, crime is very complex. Do you honestly believe people make their decisions on if they're going to commit a crime based on if they're going to get shot? Are there psychological reasons to commit crime? Can addictions or greed make someone act illogically? Do unemployment and drug use rates have anything to do with it? Theres thousands of factors in play here and I think we do the concealed carry cause a disservice when we try to boil it all down to guns being the magic answer. I don't think thats being academically honest.

    Further, I think we'd all agree that most defensive gun uses end without a shot being fired. Do you think those criminals are scared straight and leave a life of crime or run away and continue as usual? I think they're criminals for several reasons and I doubt for most of them its the first time they've had a gun pointed at them before.
     

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