finding outgoing mail server

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  1. Bobsbarricades

    Bobsbarricades New Member

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    Is there anyway to do this when if you don't know who your provider is? A ping or something?
     
  2. deusexaethera

    deusexaethera OT Supporter

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    How the hell can you be using a service that you don't know the name of?

    Oh...wait...:squint:

    GTFO asshole. Nobody needs you making more spam.

    :lockd:
     
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    what network are you on?
     
  4. Bobsbarricades

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    ??? spam? wtf??

    I'm living with some people and they're not here right now and I don't want to wait till they get home
     
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    i don't even know the network. it's florida so it's probably roadrunner or bellsouth
     
  6. 5Gen_Prelude

    5Gen_Prelude There might not be an "I" in the word "Team", but

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    wel if you tracert to somewhere like google, the first descriptive hop would tell you the provider. From there you can search their website for instructions on setting up email.
     
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    dorkultra OT's resident crohns dude OT Supporter

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    i was working at my uncle's business, setting up pop3 email. should have been a simple task of putting in mail.hisdomainname.com or smtp.hisdomainname.com just like his email and website provider was telling us

    well, it wasn't that easy. it turns out that ameritech was his internet provider. ameritech doesn't like spam and they will block any outgoing email that doesn't go through smtp.ameritech.yahoo.com, then he has to enter his ameritech account email.
    googled it to find out this info
    how the fuck would someone non-technical be able to figure that out without spending an hour on tech support?
     
  8. DAN513

    DAN513 OT Supporter

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    Isn't that standard for most networks?

    I deal with a ton of touring people at work and they almost always need to change their outgoing mail server to the one our ISP has unless they VPN.
     
  9. deusexaethera

    deusexaethera OT Supporter

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    In that case, all you care about is the outgoing mail server for the email service you subscribe to. It has nothing to do with your internet provider. Email is something that rides on top of the internet; it's a separate service.

    All I've seen as far as spam-blocking goes is that some combination ISPs/SMTPs will make you use a special "off-network" outgoing mail server if you want to send email through them without logging into their network first. I've never heard of an ISP/SMTP blocking you from using their network to access someone else's email service. If anyone did that to me, I'd fix the problem by dropping my account with them.
     
  10. 5Gen_Prelude

    5Gen_Prelude There might not be an "I" in the word "Team", but

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    They wouldn't.
     
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    5Gen_Prelude There might not be an "I" in the word "Team", but

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    Umm no. It's common practice to block smtp traffic at the ISP level and only allow traffic to their own servers.
     
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    5Gen_Prelude There might not be an "I" in the word "Team", but

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    Look into using RPC over HTTP with exchange - it elimnates this problem and the problem of some hotels blocking VPN traffic.
     
  13. deusexaethera

    deusexaethera OT Supporter

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    That's bullshit right there. If Comcast starts doing that, I'm switching to Adelphia.
     
  14. 5Gen_Prelude

    5Gen_Prelude There might not be an "I" in the word "Team", but

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    Not really, as long as the ISP allows you to use whatever mailfrom: name you want, it really doesn't matter. The problem with allowing your smtp traffic from your home directly, is that you will (like I did) have your IP address block blacklisted. Then you don't have a choice but to use the official smtp server of your ISP.
     
  15. deusexaethera

    deusexaethera OT Supporter

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    Can't say I've had any problems with that. It's amazing what can be accomplished with the proper use of a simple firewall combined with the intelligence to not go to spyware sites.
     
  16. Bobsbarricades

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    didn't know what the heck 'rpc over HTTP meant, so googled and discovered this.

    "Apple Mail 2 supports Exchange accounts using WebDAV" WebDAV is some sort of XML transfer that apparently sounds a whole lot like RPC

    this applies to me because I am trying to use Apple's Mail 2 software with gmail and an internet based exchange mailbox (university)

    Doesn't that imply that I would then just put the smtp.gmail.com for my outgoing server? problem is that it doesn't work :p

    whyfor?

    for the internet exchange mail server I can't use thier outgoing server either.
     
  17. Bobsbarricades

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    I shoiuld add I'm not a moron and yes I enabled gmail to allow POP mail services
     
  18. 5Gen_Prelude

    5Gen_Prelude There might not be an "I" in the word "Team", but

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    It's used in MS Exchange environments. Basically all it really does is interface with the Web client that Exchange uses, without actually using a browser. You use Outlook as normal but instead of communicating with the Exchange server directly, it uses the web page to do so. This means that you can use Outlook on the road requiring only an internet connection that can access a web page.
     
  19. DAN513

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    They're the production crew and management with concert tours, I make as few changes to their computers as possible, and I have a seperate vlan set up for them that allows vpn, so I don't care what they do.
     
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    5Gen_Prelude There might not be an "I" in the word "Team", but

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    Unfortunately ISPs cannot rely on their clients to ensure they don't get zombied. If you think about it for a bit, you'll realize that from an ISP's point of view, it's the easiest solution to implement as a policy.
     
  21. Bobsbarricades

    Bobsbarricades New Member

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    so then theoretically I should be able to use the excahnge smtp to send mail? not my ISP?
     
  22. 5Gen_Prelude

    5Gen_Prelude There might not be an "I" in the word "Team", but

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    Only if your the admin of the Exchange server has set it up correctly.
     

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