GUN Fighting Rifle - student review

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  1. ShackleMeNot

    ShackleMeNot MINDSET

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    A student's review from last weekend's Fighting Rifle class:

     
  2. Paul Revere

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    THT The easy way is always mined

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    Would that class be beneficial to someone who has have 0 formal training of any sort or is the learning curve too steep? I ask b/c I'm interested in the class that may be given at Buffalo Rock in Illinois however I have never been trained in any way whatsoever with my weapons.
     
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    Thunderbear Yggdrasil's Forester.

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  5. saxman

    saxman Burninating the peasants

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    I'm very tempted to take the fighting pistol class.
     
  6. ShackleMeNot

    ShackleMeNot MINDSET

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    It looks like Defensive Edge (Sully) is the first choice to teach that one. You should write him and ask if he thinks you are ready for his class.

    Our classes are designed to take a student with no prior training to a much higher level of Mindset, tactics and skills in two days. We have a lot of first time students and as long as they come with an open mind and can handle a gun safely with other people around they do just fine.
     
  7. Didact

    Didact I have no idea what I'm doing

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    Hmm I think I'll take the Fighting Pistol first... I think I need to check the website for dates.
     
  8. Didact

    Didact I have no idea what I'm doing

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    Hey, just a question from a guy that doens't know any better -- Why no Blackhawk Serpa holsters in class?
     
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    ShackleMeNot MINDSET

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    Because they suck?

    The real answer was written by Paul Gomez a year or two ago:
     
  10. Didact

    Didact I have no idea what I'm doing

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    :noes:

    Well I see your point. I'll try to find another holster before I sign up for class
     
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    that statement is from 2005 and has since been retracted.

    He still does not prefer Serpa holsters but feels they have corrected their issues performance and safety wise.
     
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    ShackleMeNot MINDSET

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    Hahhaahaa. Bullshit. Did you get this from Paul?
     
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    Clingman Clingman runs Bartertown.

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    Shay I'd like some guidance concerning gear for this class.

    I don't carry guns for a living so when I show up for this class I'm gonna be wearing jeans, a t-shirt, and my camelbak. I've got my pistol gear sorted out but what I need help on is some sort of simple rig for my rifle mags. Got any recommendations?

    I'm also interested in your opinion on slings. When I took FP I asked James what he thought about the VCAS sling and he said he liked Blue Force Gear but not that particular sling. Just would like to hear your thoughts.
     
  14. Didact

    Didact I have no idea what I'm doing

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    Same here. :hsd:
     
  15. Soybomb

    Soybomb New Member

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    Sometime in the next couple years I really want to take a pat rogers class, a louis awerbuck class, and some sort of first aid course that involves gun shot wounds. Probably starting with the latter.

    One of the things that I don't like is the expense of many of the classes combined with the distance many of us have to travel to get to them. I'd like to see some of the training places put out some free videos on you tube or even downloadable by bit torrent. Something that would have some basic information, serve as a teaser, and introduce you a bit more to that schools philosophy and an instructor they feel represents them. I know there are some guys out there I'd like to take classes with, I know there are some I would like to avoid, but many of them are relatively unknown to me.
     
  16. ShackleMeNot

    ShackleMeNot MINDSET

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    I can tell you what I recommend to all my first time rifle students.

    People get too wrapped around needing gear so they think they have to go out and buy some cool shit for their first class and after class they realize that it doesn't really work for them and they wasted their money.

    So, here's my advice. Take the class with a couple of spare mags in your back pockets. You'll be able to run 99% of the class just fine that way. While you are in class you can check out what gear the other students are wearing and ask them questions about what they like and don't like about it. After the class you will have a much better understanding of what exactly you want your gear to do for you.

    For a sling, I run a single point Blue Force Gear UDC. It's simple, inexpensive and it works. I can cut out of the sling with the fastx on the loop or I can leave the sling on and completely detach the rifle.

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    One, two and three point slings all have their pluses and minuses but from my experience most shooters would be best served with a simple single point sling on their rifle.
     
  17. Didact

    Didact I have no idea what I'm doing

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    I just put a Specter MOUT sling on my new AR.

    Anyways, will a simple kydex side holster suffice for pistol class?
     
  18. ShackleMeNot

    ShackleMeNot MINDSET

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    Don't wait a couple of years. Pick a school and go.
     
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    ShackleMeNot MINDSET

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    Yes.
     
  20. Soybomb

    Soybomb New Member

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    Move + car before happy fun time class :big grin: The first aid class may come more immediately though.
     
  21. Didact

    Didact I have no idea what I'm doing

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    Need a first aid class? Hell get some students and I'll travel ;)
     
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    Soybomb New Member

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    Do you do gun shot wounds and the like? :big grin: Its not as cool as the fighting classes but I'd like to feel a little prepared for an accident on the range or something. All the gun people talk about the rare random public shootings and being prepared with a gun but most of them seem to ignore the more likely things or even keeping the wounded alive after something like that.
     
  23. Didact

    Didact I have no idea what I'm doing

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    Well I'm a paramedic and treated a few GSWs. I'm by no means an expert on it -- but Id like to think I know how to appropriately keep a patient viable until I can get them to an ER.

    I teach BLS, ACLS, PEPP, PHTLS, GEMS, EVOC.... :x:
     
  24. ShackleMeNot

    ShackleMeNot MINDSET

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    Medical training is more likely to be needed in your lifetime than gun training. Obviously, I'm an advocate of both.

    http://www.tacticalresponse.com/course.php?courseID=36

     
  25. F8Lstang

    F8Lstang in savasana

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    not to mention if you shoot someone in self defence, saving their life after the threat is neutralized will help you in the inevitable court case to follow
     

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