Played some R3 at a buddies house last night since I haven't played it in ages. Its not even funny how much better R3 is than R4. Just everything about it. The only good thing about 4 was that it has Tyson. Plus R3 is under $20 now, 1/3 the price of R4. To me R4 could have used a few months more work to work out the kinks and online. Massive failure the game was mainly due to the garbage pathetic online. And apparently from what I hear its already dead lol. EA didn't plan out R4 well at all. And by the time the buttons DLC came out, everyone already had boycotted the game. And even that was rushed out. No parrying system and can't even lean and punch with face buttons? WTF was EA thinking?! I'm so glad I traded mine in for $42 2 months ago when I had the chance.