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  1. Sssnake

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    Verm forwarded this to me and asked me to post it here for you guys. Not sure if it's spam or what, he just told me to post it here...

    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-2][FONT=Monaco, Courier New, Monospace] Hello to all my fellow gunners, military buffs, veterans and
    interested guys. A couple of weekends ago I got to spend time with my
    son Jordan, who was on his first leave since returning from Iraq. He is
    well (a little thin), and already bored. He will be returning to Iraq
    for a second tour in early 06 and has already re-enlisted early for 4
    more years. He loves the Marine Corps and is actually looking forward
    to returning to Iraq.

    Jordan spent 7 months at Camp Blue Diamond in Ramadi. Aka: Fort
    Apache. He saw and did a lot and the following is what he told me about
    weapons, equipment, tactics and other miscellaneous info which may be
    of interest to you. Nothing is by any means classified. No politics
    here, just a Marine with a birds eye views opinions:

    1) The M-16 rifle : Thumbs down. Chronic jamming problems with the
    talcum powder like sand over there. The sand is everywhere. Jordan says
    you feel filthy 2 minutes after coming out of the shower. The M-4
    carbine version is more popular because its lighter and shorter, but it
    has jamming problems also. They like the ability to mount the various
    optical gunsights and weapons lights on the picattiny rails, but the
    weapon itself is not great in a desert environment. They all hate the
    5.56mm (.223) round. Poor penetration on the cinderblock structure
    common over there and even torso hits cant be reliably counted on to
    put the enemy down. Fun fact: Random autopsies on dead insurgents shows
    a high level of opiate use.

    2) The M243 SAW (squad assault weapon): .223 cal. Drum fed light
    machine gun. Big thumbs down. Universally considered a piece of shit.
    Chronic jamming problems, most of which require partial disassembly.
    (that fun in the middle of a firefight).

    3) The M9 Beretta 9mm: Mixed bag. Good gun, performs well in desert
    environment; but they all hate the 9mm cartridge. The use of handguns
    for self-defense is actually fairly common. Same old story on the 9mm:
    Bad guys hit multiple times and still in the fight.

    4) Mossberg 12ga. Military shotgun: Works well, used frequently for
    clearing houses to good effect.

    5) The M240 Machine Gun: 7.62 Nato (.308) cal. belt fed machine gun,
    developed to replace the old M-60 (what a beautiful weapon that was!!).
    Thumbs up. Accurate, reliable, and the 7.62 round puts em down.
    Originally developed as a vehicle mounted weapon, more and more are
    being dismounted and taken into the field by infantry. The 7.62 round
    chews up the structure over there.

    6) The M2 .50 cal heavy machine gun: Thumbs way, way up. Ma deuce is
    still worth her considerable weight in gold. The ultimate fight
    stopper, puts their dicks in the dirt every time. The most coveted
    weapon in-theater.

    7) The .45 pistol: Thumbs up. Still the best pistol round out there.
    Everybody authorized to carry a sidearm is trying to get their hands on
    one. With few exceptions, can reliably be expected to put em down with
    a torso hit. The special ops guys (who are doing most of the pistol
    work) use the HK military model and supposedly love it. The old
    government model .45s are being re-issued en masse.

    8) The M-14: Thumbs up. They are being re-issued in bulk, mostly in a
    modified version to special ops guys. Modifications include lightweight
    Kevlar stocks and low power red dot or ACOG sights. Very reliable in
    the sandy environment, and they love the 7.62 round.

    9) The Barrett .50 cal sniper rifle: Thumbs way up. Spectacular range
    and accuracy and hits like a freight train. Used frequently to take out
    vehicle suicide bombers ( we actually stop a lot of them) and
    barricaded enemy. Definitely here to stay.

    10) The M24 sniper rifle: Thumbs up. Mostly in .308 but some in 300
    win mag. Heavily modified Remington 700s. Great performance. Snipers
    have been used heavily to great effect. Rumor has it that a marine
    sniper on his third tour in Anbar province has actually exceeded Carlos
    Hathcocks record for confirmed kills with OVER 100.

    11) The new body armor: Thumbs up. Relatively light at approx. 6 lbs.
    and can reliably be expected to soak up small shrapnel and even will
    stop an AK-47 round. The bad news: Hot as shit to wear, almost
    unbearable in the summer heat (which averages over 120 degrees). Also,
    the enemy now goes for head shots whenever possible. All the bullshit
    about the old body armor making our guys vulnerable to the IEDs was a
    non-starter. The IED explosions are enormous and body armor doesn't
    make any difference at all in most cases.

    12) Night Vision and Infrared Equipment: Thumbs way up. Spectacular
    performance. Our guys see in the dark and own the night, period. Very
    little enemy action after evening prayers. More and more enemy being
    whacked at night during movement by our hunter-killer teams. Weve all
    seen the videos.

    13) Lights: Thumbs up. Most of the weapon mounted and personal lights
    are Surefires, and the troops love em. Invaluable for night urban
    operations. Jordan carried a $34 Surefire G2 on a neck lanyard and
    loved it.

    I cant help but notice that most of the good fighting weapons and
    ordnance are 50 or more years old!!!!!!!!! With all our technology, its
    the WWII and Vietnam era weapons that everybody wants!!!! The infantry
    fighting is frequent, up close and brutal. No quarter is given or shown.

    Bad guy weapons:

    1) Mostly AK47s . The entire country is an arsenal. Works better in
    the desert than the M16 and the .308 Russian round kills reliably. PKM
    belt fed light machine guns are also common and effective. Luckily, the
    enemy mostly shoots like shit. Undisciplined spray and pray type fire.
    However, they are seeing more and more precision weapons, especially
    sniper rifles. (Iran, again) Fun fact: Captured enemy have apparently
    marveled at the marksmanship of our guys and how hard they fight. They
    are apparently told in Jihad school that the Americans rely solely on
    technology, and can be easily beaten in close quarters combat for their
    lack of toughness. Lets just say they know better now.

    2) The RPG: Probably the infantry weapon most feared by our guys.
    Simple, reliable and as common as dogshit. The enemy responded to our
    up-armored humvees by aiming at the windshields, often at point blank
    range. Still killing a lot of our guys.

    3) The IED: The biggest killer of all. Can be anything from old Soviet
    anti-armor mines to jury rigged artillery shells. A lot found in
    Jordans area were in abandoned cars. The enemy would take 2 or 3 155mm
    artillery shells and wire them together. Most were detonated by cell
    phone, and the explosions are enormous. You're not safe in any vehicle,
    even an M1 tank. Driving is by far the most dangerous thing our guys do
    over there. Lately, they are much more sophisticated shape charges
    (Iranian) specifically designed to penetrate armor. Fact: Most of the
    ready made IEDs are supplied by Iran, who is also providing terrorists
    (Hezbollah types) to train the insurgents in their use and tactics.
    Thats why the attacks have been so deadly lately. Their concealment
    methods are ingenious, the latest being shape charges in Styrofoam
    containers spray painted to look like the cinderblocks that litter all
    Iraqi roads. We find about 40% before they detonate, and the bomb
    disposal guys are unsung heroes of this war.

    4) Mortars and rockets: Very prevalent. The soviet era 122mm rockets
    (with an 18km range) are becoming more prevalent. One of Jordans NCOs
    lost a leg to one. These weapons cause a lot of damage inside the wire.
    Jordans base was hit almost daily his entire time there by mortar and
    rocket fire, often at night to disrupt sleep patterns and cause fatigue
    (It did). More of a psychological weapon than anything else. The enemy
    mortar teams would jump out of vehicles, fire a few rounds, and then
    haul ass in a matter of seconds.

    5) Bad guy technology: Simple yet effective. Most communication is by
    cell and satellite phones, and also by email on laptops. They use
    handheld GPS units for navigation and Google earth for overhead views
    of our positions. Their weapons are good, if not fancy, and prevalent.
    Their explosives and bomb technology is TOP OF THE LINE. Night vision
    is rare. They are very careless with their equipment and the captured
    GPS units and laptops are treasure troves of Intel when captured.

    Who are the bad guys?:

    Most of the carnage is caused by the Zarqawi Al Qaeda group. They
    operate mostly in Anbar province (Fallujah and Ramadi). These are
    mostly foreigners, non-Iraqi Sunni Arab Jihadists from all over the
    Muslim world (and Europe). Most enter Iraq through Syria (with, of
    course, the knowledge and complicity of the Syrian govt.) , and then
    travel down the at line which is the trail of towns along the Euphrates
    River that weve been hitting hard for the last few months. Some are
    virtually untrained young Jihadists that often end up as suicide
    bombers or in sacrifice squads. Most, however, are hard core terrorists
    from all the usual suspects (Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas etc.) These are
    the guys running around murdering civilians en masse and cutting heads
    off. The Chechens (many of whom are Caucasian), are supposedly the most
    ruthless and the best fighters. (they have been fighting the Russians
    for years). In the Baghdad area and south, most of the insurgents are
    Iranian inspired (and led) Iraqi Shiites. The Iranian Shiia have been
    very adept at infiltrating the Iraqi local govt., the police forces and
    the Army. The have had a massive spy and agitator network there since
    the Iran-Iraq war in the early 80s. Most of the Saddam loyalists were
    killed, captured or gave up long ago.

    Bad Guy Tactics:

    When they are engaged on an infantry level they get their asses kicked
    every time. Brave, but stupid. Suicidal Banzai-type charges were very
    common earlier in the war and still occur. They will literally
    sacrifice 8-10 man teams in suicide squads by sending them screaming
    and firing Aks and RPGs directly at our bases just to probe the
    defenses. They get mowed down like grass every time. ( see the M2 and
    M240 above). Jordans base was hit like this often. When engaged, they
    have a tendency to flee to the same building, probably for what they
    think will be a glorious last stand. Instead, we call in air and thats
    the end of that more often than not. These hole-ups are referred to as
    Alpha Whiskey Romeos (Allahs Waiting Room). We have the laser guided
    ground-air thing down to a science. The fast movers, mostly Marine
    F-18s, are taking an ever increasing toll on the enemy. When caught out
    in the open, the helicopter gunships and AC-130 Spectre gunships cut
    them to ribbons with cannon and rocket fire, especially at night.
    Interestingly, artillery is hardly used at all. Fun fact: The enemy
    death toll is supposedly between 45-50 thousand. That is why were
    seeing less and less infantry attacks and more IED, suicide bomber
    shit. The new strategy is simple: attrition.

    The insurgent tactic most frustrating is their use of civilian
    non-combatants as cover. They know we do all we can to avoid civilian
    casualties and therefore schools, hospitals and (especially) Mosques
    are locations where they meet, stage for attacks, cache weapons and
    ammo and flee to when engaged. They have absolutely no regard
    whatsoever for civilian casualties. They will terrorize locals and
    murder without hesitation anyone believed to be sympathetic to the
    Americans or the new Iraqi govt. Kidnapping of family members
    (especially children) is common to influence people they are trying to
    influence but cant reach, such as local govt. officials, clerics,
    tribal leaders, etc.).

    The first thing our guys are told is don't get captured. They know
    that if captured they will be tortured and beheaded on the internet.
    Zarqawi openly offers bounties for anyone who brings him a live
    American serviceman. This motivates the criminal element who otherwise
    don't give a shit about the war. A lot of the beheading victims were
    actually kidnapped by common criminals and sold to Zarqawi. As such,
    for our guys, every fight is to the death. Surrender is not an option.

    The Iraqis are a mixed bag. Some fight well, others aren't worth a
    shit. Most do okay with American support. Finding leaders is hard, but
    they are getting better. It is widely viewed that Zarqawis use of
    suicide bombers, en masse, against the civilian population was a
    serious tactical mistake. Many Iraqis were galvanized and the caliber
    of recruits in the Army and the police forces went up, along with their
    motivation. It also led to an exponential increase in good intel
    because the Iraqis are sick of the insurgent attacks against civilians.
    The Kurds are solidly pro-American and fearless fighters.

    According to Jordan, morale among our guys is very high. They not only
    believe they are winning, but that they are winning decisively. They
    are stunned and dismayed by what they see in the American press, whom
    they almost universally view as against them. The embedded reporters
    are despised and distrusted. They are inflicting casualties at a rate
    of 20-1 and then see shit like Are we losing in Iraq on TV and the
    print media. For the most part, they are satisfied with their
    equipment, food and leadership. Bottom line though, and they all say
    this, there are not enough guys there to drive the final stake through
    the heart of the insurgency, primarily because there aren't enough
    troops in-theater to shut down the borders with Iran and Syria. The
    Iranians and the Syrians just cant stand the thought of Iraq being an
    American ally (with, of course, permanent US bases there).

    Anyway guys, thats it, hope you found it interesting, I sure did.
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  2. hsmith

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    pretty cool read :coold:
     
  3. krott5333

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    theres nothing wrong with 9mm.. with hollowpoints..

    but of course the military can only use FMJ, so it would probably be best to go to a .45
     
  4. krott5333

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    awesome fucking info.



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  5. Clusive

    Clusive Happiness is a belt-fed weapon.

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    :werd: They need to bring back the 1911A1.
     
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    fixed :o
     
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    JAFAR FPS whore OT Supporter

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    Great read. I live for that kind of reading.
     
  8. copperhead035

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    I've heard rumors that our boys hate the M16 so much, that they've been given the OK to start picking up AK's, so long as it never made it onto camera.

    I've got a good friend that's over there, and I haven't heard from him in probably at least a month. I'm starting to get rather worried...

    edit: just looked at my AIM logs, haven't talked to him since september 13th...last I saw him pop online was oct. 23rd, and he didn't say anything, just logged off a few minutes later
     
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    JAFAR FPS whore OT Supporter

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    If I was over there, you bet your ass I'd be using an AK over the M16.

    Jam-free operation > *
     
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    Ghostrider4450 New Member

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    Out of my mind, brb never.
    When he said the HK military version of the .45, was he referring to the HK Mark 23?
     
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    Turns out my friend got back into the states two days ago, I'm very relieved :hsd:
     
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    So much for designated marksmen then.
     
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    :bowdown: Give that man a beer, from all of us.
     
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    I will just as soon as I can, he lives near his base in Fayeteville, NC and I'm up in OH. Looks like i'll be able to head down and visit him, his wife and son right after thanksgiving.
     
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    glad to hear the moral over there is at least pretty good, because here it sucks

    ok, curious question here, (ps, never been in the military, know barely anyone in it so i'm asking you guys as opposed to them) he said that some of the older calibers (.45's, .308's ) are becomeing more popular, if a soldier wants to buy a 1911a1 (or derivitive) or some other gun such as a glock, xd,ect., is he allowed to use it on the battlefield, or are they strictly limited to gvt equipment?


    Noob question :mamoru:, apology in advance
     
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    Semper Fi Marine. And happy Veteran's Day! Stay safe over there! Wish I could be by your side...
     
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    Just goes to show you that sometimes, old school is the way to go.

    It's great to actually hear good info from someone who's over there, doing it everyday, and not trying to put some political spin on it to get viewers..
     
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    i'm pretty sure personal firearms are still not authorized. however, i've read a story in the navy times about the guys using weapons they find (ak's, mp5, shit like that) and their superiors allowing it. hey, whatever works. to bad we cant bring them home. i thing the "spoils of war" concept kicks ass
     
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    Sssnake meh

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    No clue on military but the civilian contractors carry their own. Verm had to have his weapons cleared by his employer but he is using them. Plus he got some kind of "allowance" for equipment and more weapons.
     
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    just kinda curious, just cause it might be beneficial for some of them to pick up an old 1911 or something since it seems that what theyre given isnt exactly the tool for the job, especially when the job is kill or be killed
     
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    Good read. Thanks for sharing.

    Probably so. I want one of those but they're so expensive :o
     
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    probably, but from what i hear, the specops guys prefer sigs.
     
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    perhaps.. I know thats what alot of the specops guys use..
     
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    eWRXshun hai

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