GUN EDU: Basic Reloading - Large Pics

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  1. 7

    7 First comes smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.

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    Well here's my reloading EDU, keep in my that is what I do and that each persons steps and equipment will vary somewhat (for instance if you're bulk reloading you aren't going to weigh every charge like I do). Also some of the pics came out on the blurry side but I'm not a photographer plus I had to take a few with one hand so thats about as good as its going to get. I guess I should write some kind of legal thing so:


    I assume no responsibility should any harm come to you, your family, pets, possessions, etc, as a result of reading the following information. It is intended as a general guide only and is not a replacement for a true reloading manual. Use this information at your own risk.

    good enough? :hs: OK, here we go.

    Equipment
    In no particular order:
    - A Press - single stage, progressive, one of the Lee Hand presses, whatever.
    - Powder measuring device - it could be a scoop like Lee sells but realistically you're going to want a beam or digital scale.
    - Powder Thrower - You don't really need a thrower but it's going to suck without one.
    - Dies - for whatever cartridge you're reloading, for bottlenecks you need a sizing/decapping die and a seating die.
    - Shell Holder - Holds the case in the press, hand primer, etc.
    - Priming Tool - either an on-press priming setup (most presses seem to come with these) or a hand tool like I use; I recommend the hand tool.
    Chamfer/Deburring tool - cases that are trimmed need to have the necks chamfered and deburred. Chamfering the neck makes it noticeably easier to seat bullets and will keep the sides of the bullet from getting shaved off.
    Case Trimmer - self explanatory. these range from about $10-15 for a lee trimmer up into the hundreds for a bench mounted electric unit.
    Primer Pocket cleaner - self explanatory, there are a few different types of these. I like the wire brush type but the last one I had fell apart.
    - Bullet Puller - You're going to mess up eventually so it's best to have something on hand to take the cartridge apart. The hammer type is probably the most common though I don't recommend them as they will deform the tip of soft bullets and it a pain to save the powder. I use a Hornady puller that uses collets (see pics).
    Calipers - For measuring overall length, etc.
    - Loading Tray - keeps your cases from falling over and going all over the place
    - Storage boxes - you need something to carry your ammo in though you can use old boxes the factory stuff came in.

    Optional Things
    - Powder Trickler - you can drop a granule at a time into the pan to get your charges up to weight though if you're reloading in bulk this probably isn't going to be used.
    Case Tumbler - Handy for cleaning and polishing though you can easily clean cases by hand with a clean rag.
    - Decapping Die - This die punches out the primers and nothing else. I use one as I can deprime dirty cases and toss them in the tumbler, making it easier to clean the primer pockets later.




    Components
    Obviously there are four: powder, primers, cases, and bullets. For this example I'm loading for my 30-06 using Winchester brass, Reloder 19 powder, 150gr Nosler Partition Golds, and Federal 210 Match primers.
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    Choose a Recipe
    You're best off sticking with manuals from the manufacturers you're using, for instance I'm using the 5th Edition Nosler Manual because I'm using Nosler bullets. The bullet is a 150gr Partition Gold so all you do is turn to the 30-06 page, find the weight, and then go down through and choose a powder you want to use. I have some Reloder 19 on hand so that's what I'm using
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    Notice that the minimum load is 57.5grs but remember that all guns are different so you should always start a couple of grains lower than what is listed. Personally I've never had a minimum load end up being too hot in a rifle but still I'm going to aim for 56 grains of powder.


    1. Clean and Inspect Your Cases
    You don't want to run dirty cases in your gun or dies as it can damage both. At the least you're going to want to wipe them down with a cloth to remove any grit. Personally I tumble mine (the media is walnut shells coated in jewelers rouge). Right before tumbling is when I would use my decapping die.
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    While wiping the cases off or after they're out of the tumbler visually inspect for splits in the neck, dents in the shoulder and body (most neck dents should come out), separation of the case head, etc. If any cases are suspect toss them out; they're cheap to replace, guns are not. Also you're probably going to want to wipe off the cases after tumbling too as new media is rather dusty. The stuff I have was particularly bad but it seems to have calmed down and isn't a problem anymore.

    2. Sizing and De-priming

    After all of your cases are clean you have to resize them. Here's an example of why - the case on the left is sized, the case on the right is not:
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    If I just touched the bullet on the right it would have fell into the case; I'm actually surprised it stayed. Now you're going to want to lube up the cases with whatever lube you use
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    The RCBS lube is designed to be put on the pad in front, then you roll the cases over the pad with your palm. It works but the lube is sticky to work with. Instead I use Imperial Sizing Wax which you apply with your fingers and Imperial Dry Neck Lube which is just powdered graphite:
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    You want to keep the lube off the the neck and shoulder and just on the body. You just need to lightly coat the cases, once you get some of the lube into the die things will really run smoothly.
    Screw your sizing/decapping die into the press and snap the shell holder into the ram. Insert a case and lower the handle.
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    You'll probably feel a fair amount of resistance when running the ram up. Once you can go no further lower it all the way and you have now have a sized case.


    3. Case Prep
    Get out your caliper and check the length of your sized cases to make sure they're in spec. The max length for 30-06 is 2.494. As you can see this case is fine.
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    I left the case trimming process out of this because I lent my trimmer to my friend :coolugh:

    You're also going to want to chamfer and debur the neck at this point and clean the primer pockets
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    4. Priming
    If you're priming using the press extension follow the directions included. Personally my kit came with a hand priming tool so I'm going with that. It's also nice as you can prime a bunch of cases while you're watching TV or whatever. It uses the same shell holder as your press and seats the primers using hand tension so you can feel how far the primer is seated. You're going to want to seat the primer till it is just below flush with the case.
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    5. Charging the Cases
    Your cases are now cleaned, sized, prepped, and primed. Get one of your favorite cigars, light a couple candles, and set off some sparklers cause it's time to add the powder.

    There are really two ways to charge cases, either throwing into a pan and weighing every charge or throwing the charge directly into the case. Personally I weigh every charge so this is how that would go

    (insert picture of me throwing charge into pan that I forgot to take)

    Always make sure you zero the scale before use as this can become a large problem if you don't (not that I've had any rounds with, say, 65.1 grains of powder or anything :hsugh: ) I'm aiming for 55 grains as previously noted (no the pan isn't touching the bench either)
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    and here I am fake pouring powder into a case (it's a two handed operation, fuck you guys)
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    of course if you're throwing directly into the case I took a pic of that too, just because I'm cool like that
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    6. Seating the bullets
    Finally this hell is almost over

    Screw your seating die into the press (I'm assuming you've already set the depth to what you want; read the directions that came with the die to do it), snap the shell holder in, and go at it. Really this process is pretty self-explanatory, the trickiest part is keeping the bullets in the neck on the way up, though boat tails are easier.
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    (blurrier picture of ram all the way up, you didn't need to see it anyway)

    Congratulations, you now have a poorly taken picture of 5 rounds of ammunition :cool:
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    If I'm finding the best load for a rifle I'll usually load 5 rounds then go up .5 or 1 whole grain of powder and load 5 more. To keep them straight I usually write the charge on each case with a sharpie but I have no idea where mine is.

    Other Things

    If you mess up and need to pull a case here are the two options, the hammer type puller which I mentioned sucks and the collet type that I use. All you do is raise the shell partway into the puller so the bullet is inside the collet, lower the handle on top to grip the bullet, and then lower the ram to removed the bullet from the case.
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    That is a shell holder on top of the dies, note how on each die the shell holder number is listed. Keep in mind these numbers are not standardized, for instance a 30-06 uses a Redding #1 shellholder but if you were to buy an RCBS holder you'd need a #3. Also that is the decapping die on the right, it's really just a solid steel pin in the center of the body and is pretty much universal.
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    You can store your loaded ammo in old boxes or whatever but I reccomend purchasing some real storage boxes. The one I use are from midway and run something like $1.50 to 2.00 each. You're also going to want to label EVERYTHING you load. There is nothing worse than loading something and then having to pull a round and weigh it out to figure out wtf it is.
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    7 First comes smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.

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    If you find anything you think is wrong let me know, be it the information itself or grammar that doesnt make sense. I didnt proof read and I'm sure something is messed up. :mamoru: Oh and batch resizing wasnt working well, they could be a bit smaller but oh well, deal with it.
     
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    first

    what does a reloading setup cost? how long does it take you to break even? how many rounds per minute can you do?
     
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  4. Thunderbear

    Thunderbear Yggdrasil's Forester.

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    kickass.
     
  5. Platinum_Thunder

    Platinum_Thunder Reliability for life and liberty

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    This is how you reload a pistol

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    Mags aren't loaded though (it's a two handed operation, fuck you guys)
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    7 First comes smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.

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    [DWI] Master of Nothing

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    what did your setup cost you?
     
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    7 First comes smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.

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    I dont really know, it was $250ish for the initial kit plus stuff I both needed and really didn't. I'd wager I have closer to $450 into it, $100 of that being two sets of dies and the tumbler.
     
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    that seems like alot of work for such a tedious operation :o
     
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    7 First comes smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.

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    see my other post for cost ideas

    I have no idea about breaking even though when I started I was saving about $15 per box considering what I was loading. I havent added it up recently though and everything keeps going up so I wonder what it is now.

    rounds per minute? I dont know as I usually do 25-50 at a time. I'd say I can do 50 rounds in probably 45 minutes or so, most of the time is weighing each charge of powder. If I had a stopwatch and was a fag I'd go act like i was sizing, throwing charges directly into the cases, loading, etc. and see what i get for 50 but I'm not that hard-up for something to do just yet :o

    edit: actually I could just load 5 and multiply the time by 10 :hsugh: I'm pretty smart.
     
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    7 First comes smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.

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    i thought so too after I typed it all out and took pics, the thing is I break it up over time so I'm not in there alot. I'll get bored and size some cases one day, trim and prime later when I watch tv, etc.
     
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    Sarge21 Frau am Steuer Ungeheuer!

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    jesus christ thats a lot of work!
     
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    damm good write up.
     
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    7 First comes smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.

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    eh it looks worse than it is honestly. You do need to have time though. :hs:
     
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    A++ thread, would read again.
     
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    do you notice any accuracy gains?
     
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    7 First comes smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.

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    Fuck yes. That's part of the beauty - you're essentially getting ammunition that is the quality of shops like Black Hills for a fraction of the cost. Plus if you have a bullet you want to use and you just can't get it to shoot you can change powder weight, the powder itself, primers, cases, seating depth, etc. until you get the results you're after. If you were using the bullet you wanted in factory ammo and it shot like shit then too bad, pick something else.

    I have a couple more tools I didn't mention for measuring overall length and what not but the kind of reloading I do for accuracy is mild compared to what can be done. The smallest groups I've got is with my 7mmRM; the hole measured something like .218 or right around there (of course it was at 100yds and off a rest).
     
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    yeah, i was just curious how much of a difference you saw

    how much would you say it costs to load a box (20rds) of 30-06?
     
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    ok I THOUGHT I wanted to reload, but now I see that I don't :hs:
     
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    7 First comes smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.

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    I honestly cant say as I haven't priced stuff in a while :dunno: You can do the math yourself, just go to midway or somewhere and figure up the cost of say 50 primers (they come in 100s so half the cost), 50 cases and 50 bullets then pick a powder, a load (say 60grs for a rough estimate) and figure out how much the powder would cost per grain (7000 in a pound) and go from there :hs:
     
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    7 First comes smiles, then lies. Last is gunfire.

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    eh a cheap dillon would do everything except case prep, it's probably what some of you would need anyway what with owning AKs and ARs :dunno:
     
  23. Aequitas

    Aequitas If it keeps on raining, levee's going to break.

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    Seems like something that'd be really enjoyable to do. Thanks for the edu.
     
  24. Goat

    Goat That crack is really moreish

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    about fuckin' time :hsugh:
     
  25. Goat

    Goat That crack is really moreish

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    it's really not as bad as it looks, the only part I dislike is weighing out powder, but a more accurate thrower would cure that.
     

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