Edmunds Feature & Video - 2008 Cadillac CTS

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    It's not much bigger than before, but a wider stance gives this CTS far better proportions than the previous model.

    By Ed Hellwig, Senior Editor
    Date posted: 01-08-2007

    We gave the original Cadillac CTS some slack after its debut at the Detroit auto show in 2002. Driving it didn't reveal it as much of a sport sedan and the interior was a disaster, but its exterior was the most original design to come out of Detroit in years. It actually looked like Cadillac was trying again.

    With the second-generation 2008 Cadillac CTS debuting at this year's Detroit auto show, GM is aiming to compete in the entry-level sport sedan segment instead of merely existing in it. The midsize sedan has not only been cleaned up and smoothed out, GM added some real power under the hood and the kind of interior the Caddy should have had in the first place.

    One displacement, two levels of power

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    Although it rides on the same chassis as before, a more powerful 3.6-liter V6 should make the CTS a more entertaining drive.

    Unlike the 2007 CTS, the "I'm in it for the looks" base model with the 2.8-liter V6 has been banished to fuel-conscious export markets, so all 2008 models in the U.S. get a proper 3.6-liter V6. The standard version is the same 258-horsepower motor used last year, although now you'll be able to pair it with a six-speed automatic. The standard transmission is still a six-speed manual and it gets a new short-throw shifter for '08.

    Real news comes in the way of a high-output version of the same 3.6-liter V6. It uses direct injection to help deliver 300 hp and 270 pound-feet of torque. Those may be V8-like numbers, but given that four of its competitors already offer at least 300 horses, the CTS is just keeping up.

    Both transmissions will be offered with the high-output engine, along with another new option for 2008 — all-wheel drive. Borrowed from the SRX crossover that shares its platform, the all-wheel-drive system in the CTS uses an active transfer case to send power to the front wheels when the rear wheels lose their grip. It won't help with the handling like Acura's Super-Handling All-Wheel Drive, but it helps the CTS stack up better against its peers. Rear-wheel drive will be standard.

    Wider is better

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    With a 1.8-inch-wider track in front, the CTS doesn't look as top-heavy as before.

    Although the new CTS rides on the same basic chassis as before, it borrows a page from the Pontiac playbook by adding 1.8 inches of track width in front and 2 inches in back. The wheelbase remains the same while the car's length and height are both up an inch and a half.

    The overall suspension design is unchanged, with aluminum upper and lower control arms up front, a multilink setup in back and coil-over shocks at each corner. A modified version of the strut tower brace from the CTS-V is now standard on all models. Cadillac says the brakes and steering system are all-new, but its reluctance to elaborate leads us to believe they aren't much different from the current setups.

    Seventeen-inch aluminum wheels with all-season 235/55 tires are standard. An optional sport suspension adds 18-inch wheels with 235/50 Michelin Pilot Sport 2 tires with either V or Y speed ratings.

    Edgy and elegant

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    Better materials and a more intriguing design give the interior of the CTS the kind of look and feel you would expect in a $30-40K sedan.

    Instead of abandoning the controversial but eye-catching design of the original CTS, Cadillac softened the edges a little and refined the details. The design of the grille was pulled straight from Cadillac's Sixteen concept car, while the wider body allows the side windows to angle in more. It's called "tumblehome" in designerspeak and it's one of the numerous areas that product chief Bob Lutz emphasized as he pushed through GM's latest new-car designs. Another of his areas of interest is a tight body-to-wheel relationship, and according to Cadillac this new CTS improves on that, too.

    A richer, higher-quality interior was yet another priority on Cadillac's list of improvements for the '08 CTS. Starting from scratch, the designers gave this CTS a completely different look and feel compared to the current model. The large analog gauges are not only easier to read than before, they look a little more serious this time around. Case in point: The original CTS didn't even have a temperature gauge. The '08 model not only has one, it actually has numbers on it. Nice.

    There's a noticeable upgrade in the materials used in the CTS cabin as well. Cadillac says the surfaces for the upper dashboard and door panels are now hand-cut and sewn, which allows for tighter fits and the use of French stitching. We don't know what makes Franco stitching so special, but the seams in the CTS do look pretty good. More attention to detail can be seen in the soft, white LEDs that light up the door pulls and footwells, a feature Audi uses to great effect in the A8.

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    This is the CTS we all hoped for when the model debuted five years ago. It has a high-tech engine with as much power as anything in the class, a choice of top spec transmissions and a cabin that doesn't embarrass the rest of the package. With competitors like the Acura TL, BMW 3 Series and Infiniti G35, the 2008 Cadillac CTS needs all the help it can get, but when it goes on sale this fall it will no longer have to rely on its looks alone to compete.

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    Looks very competent now. I'm glad they're doing away with the made for rental fleet 2.8L. I digging that XL sunroof very much.
     
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    I can't wait to see the new CTS-V.
     
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    Fantastic looking car inside and out.
     
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    I saw the interior shots during a lunch with Bob Lutz over two years ago. I saw the final production vehicle two months ago. Now I can finally share my thoughts on the all-new CTS (beyond the "wow" I let slip back in November).

    First, if you think this car looks good in photos you still haven't really seen it. And if you think it looks bad (for some reason I can't understand), you really better reserve judgement until you see it up close and personal. Taken as a whole the car looks great, but you have to view it from multiple angles (and take some time) to fully appreciate the design and attention to detail. This is one of those cars you'll want to walk around and simply "absorb" when you're at the auto show.

    Once you get inside you'll quickly see the beauty of the interior design. Cadillac has done a masterful job with interior lighting, and material quality is similarly impressive. My favorite interior detail (and the one I've been hinting at for over two years) is the seperate temperature displays that are canted toward each front seat on the center stack. This, along with the lighting, is a great example of Cadillac getting those little details right - details that can make all the difference to buyers in this market segment.

    All indications are that it drives as good as it looks. If it does Caddy will have quite the luxury sedan to keep the brand's momentum going.

    —Karl Brauer


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    WTF is wrong with Cadillac? They come up with a good interior and screw the exterior up. That grille looks like the business end of my Norelco.

    Edit: The rear end is actually quite fine :o
     
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    I get the feeling they did this to allow even wider rubber under the CTS-V compared to the current model. Do I smell an M3/M5 beater?

    I can't wait to see the actual reviews and comparo's to the 3 series etc...

    Any idea's on how much it weighs? The new HO-V6 sounds pretty awsome... kind of makes the LS4 redundant really.
     
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    Edmunds First-Drive - 2008 Cadillac CTS

    Ready To Compete on a World Stage

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    Cadillac engineers spent a lot of time on the Nürburgring tuning the 2008 Cadillac CTS suspension.

    By Dan Edmunds, Director of Vehicle Testing
    Date posted: 07-25-2007

    304-horsepower 3.6-liter V6 engine - 6-speed manual or automatic transmission - 17- or 18-inch tires - Available all-wheel drive

    "I want to see everybody down at the cathedral with me tonight — praying." The Cadillac executive is nervous, and who can blame him? We're here in Germany to drive the all-new 2008 Cadillac CTS, and tomorrow he's going to turn us loose on the Nürburgring Nordschleife, the 12.9-mile, 73-corner racetrack through the forest of the Eifel Mountains.

    Cadillac engineers spent countless hours on this very track massaging the suspension, six-speed manual transmission and direct-injected 3.6-liter V6 of the substantially revised 2008 Cadillac CTS, and now they're confident enough to show us the result.

    Our friend the Cadillac executive is less certain about the drivers, however. When he asks whether any of us have been to the track before, only a couple of hands go up. Ours is not among them. The worry lines on his forehead deepen. If he only knew how many virtual cars we've wadded up on the Nürburgring while trying to take Flugplatz flat-out with our Xbox video-game console....

    Sweet Sixteen

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    Slab-sided no more, as 2.0 inches of additional track width are housed in aggressive fender flares.

    Just in case anything gets pranged against a guardrail, we spend a few moments memorizing the new sheet metal of the 2008 Cadillac CTS. The angular design language is familiar, as is the 113.4-inch wheelbase, but there are some important changes.

    Dominating the front is a striking grille inspired by the Cadillac Sixteen concept car. A strategically placed duct below the bumper increases the grille's overall vertical impression, so it has the prominent look so popular among German cars.

    Meanwhile, aggressive fender flares visually indicate the track is 2.0 inches wider than before, and the contrast between the flares and the unchanged dimensions of the body give the CTS a new, considerably tougher stance.

    As a whole, there are more chrome details and a flush, finished look to the bodywork, evidence of a new spirit of refinement.

    Ironing Out the Suspension

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    While the wheelbase is unchanged, the cabin's dimensions have changed as rear-seat legroom has stretched 1.1 inches.

    This substantial 2.0-inch track increase improves handling, as it's easier to manage body roll and weight transfer. The new ZF Servotronic steering forward of the axle (a packaging measure largely related to the availability of all-wheel drive) improves steering precision.

    Extensive use of aluminum for the front suspension reduces unsprung mass and improves weight distribution, a worthwhile attribute for high-speed handling on the Nürburgring. There's a front strut tower brace, and the new Bilstein dampers incorporate rebound springs.

    There are now three suspension grades offered for the CTS. Base FE1 models feature Michelin P235/55R17 all-season tires and modestly specialized tuning for the Bilstein dampers and the stabilizer bars. The FE2 model adds a limited-slip differential, P235/50R18 all-season tires and stiffer stabilizer bars. Once you step up to the FE3 package, there are bigger brakes, aggressive damper valving (the rears have a self-leveling feature) and Michelin Pilot Sport summer performance tires.

    'Ringing It Out

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    The rear-drive CTS gets a new front suspension with lots of aluminum pieces.

    It all looks good on paper, and our rear-wheel-drive CTS in FE3 trim works well on the graffiti-covered asphalt of the Nordschleife.

    An endless stream of corners through the trees proves the accuracy of the CTS's steering. Directional changes are suitably quick, yet the rear end of the CTS never slews off line. At the limit, the CTS hints at understeer, but the car responds willingly to a lift of the throttle for midcorner course corrections.

    But for track work, the steering effort still feels a little light, probably a legacy of Cadillac's past preference for low-effort refinement
    rather than high-speed precision.

    Three driver-adjustable settings for the stability control (Normal, Competitive and Off) are available to suit either your mood or skill level. Competitive mode proved just fine for on-track hustling, and it only intruded when we drove the racing line around the famously banked ditch at the Carousel.

    This thing is fun. The CTS lives up to everything you expect from a car developed at the Nürburgring. It's so good, we're thinking the chassis can handle much more power. It'll get it, too, when the 500-horsepower CTS-V debuts for 2009.

    Speaking of Power

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    Cadillac's direct-injection 3.6-liter V6 engine has variable intake and exhaust timing, and makes 304 hp.

    The 2.8-liter engine has been dropped from the lineup, so last year's port fuel-injected (PFI) 3.6-liter V6 carries over as the base engine, only now it makes 263 SAE-certified hp and 252 pound-feet of torque.

    New for 2008 is a direct-injected (DI) version of the 3.6-liter V6 engine. Variable valve timing on the intake and exhaust cams and an 11.3:1 compression ratio help the new engine put out 304 SAE-certified hp, and 80 percent of the peak torque output of 273 lb-ft is available at 1,000 rpm. This engine feels stout, but there's no place on this winding circuit to verify Cadillac's claim of 5.9-second performance to 60 mph and a top speed of 155 mph.

    The use of premium unleaded fuel plays a role in Cadillac's performance figures, but either V6 engine runs happily on regular. Official 2008 EPA mileage figures are unavailable, but Cadillac expects 17 mpg city and 26 mpg highway from the new DI V6.

    Six Speeds for Everyone

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    The extra track width makes the 2008 CTS better able to cope with quick direction changes.

    An Aisin-built six-speed manual transmission is the standard offering for the CTS. We found the shift throws somewhat long, though Cadillac notes that they're shorter than the previous manual transmission.

    The 2008 CTS also makes available the quick-shifting, six-speed Hydra-matic 6L50 automatic.
    It can be manually controlled with a console-mounted shift lever, but shift paddles on the steering wheel aren't yet available.

    A major addition to the CTS's lineup is the availability of all-wheel drive, a measure to make this car even more like the Euro sedans it competes against. The hardware comes from the Cadillac STS, which shares the CTS's basic platform architecture. The CTS AWD comes only with the 263-hp 3.6-liter V6 and a six-speed automatic, and there's a choice between FE1 and FE2 suspension calibrations and 17- or 18-inch all-season tires.

    An autobahn blast shows the all-wheel-drive CTS to be comfortably stable up to its electronically limited top speed of 140 mph — and in a downpour, no less.

    Improved Interior

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    An optional touchscreen navigation screen with real-time traffic rises from the dash at the touch of a button.

    Inside, the 2008 CTS has a far more inviting cockpit, far from the cold, plastic-ridden treatment found in the current edition of the car. A new telescopic steering wheel improves the impression of spaciousness for the driver, while thinner front seatbacks improve legroom for rear-seat passengers.

    The optional navigation system has a screen that retracts into the dash, but the top inch of the screen always remains visible as the primary display for audio and climate control, a real breakthrough in function for nav systems.

    Infotainment options abound, and the navigation system's 40-gigabyte hard drive heads the list. You can store music on available hard drive space through a CD, MP3 or USB jacks, or a fully integrated iPod interface. AM/FM and satellite radio can be paused, rewound and resumed, just as if you were using TiVo.

    For all the interior's overall goodness, however, the routine switchgear lacks the kind of tactile quality we'd prefer, while some of the chrome accents seem like low-grade plastic.

    All Yours in August

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    In order to comply with European and Japanese pedestrian safety regulations, the top edge of the hood is higher

    Cadillac dealers expect to have the 2008 Cadillac CTS on the ground in late August. A 2008 Cadillac CTS with the 3.6-liter PFI V6 engine and a six-speed manual starts at $32,990.

    The raciest version of the CTS with its direct-injected 306-hp V6, manual transmission and FE3 suspension starts at $36,970.
    We're told that a car like the one we sampled in Germany will hover in the low-to-mid-$40,000 range.

    While the 2008 Cadillac CTS isn't likely to surpass the established Germanic thoroughbreds, it has grown into a more capable car with a vastly improved interior. Best of all, its well-sorted chassis doesn't fall to its knees when pushed hard.

    Cadillac's investment at the Nürburgring seems money well spent.

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    First Impressions: Even on the demanding environment of the Nürburgring, the well-sorted chassis of the 2008 Cadillac CTS is sure-footed — fun even. An improved cockpit provides a much nicer place to work.

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    i like the navi
     
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    That nav is so sexy.

    Moar pics of cockpit?
     

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