GUN E-Thug dispute leads to shooting

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  1. TL1000RSquid

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    www.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/ny-lishot0811,0,1316663.story?coll=ny-linews-headlines

    Long Island Fatal confrontation between man and teen
    After night of fighting between two teens, Miller Place dad of one shoots other boy in face, cops say
    BY CHRISTINE ARMARIO
    Newsday Staff Writer

    August 11, 2006


    A Miller Place father killed a 17-year-old boy whom his son had been feuding with, shooting him in the face from the edge of his driveway on a quiet residential street, Suffolk police said.

    John White, 53, allegedly came out of his home late Wednesday evening armed with a handgun after his teenage son, Aaron White, was kicked out of a Sound Beach party where he had been arguing with the victim, Daniel Cicciaro of Port Jefferson Station, about a comment made in an Internet chat room.

    Police described the comment as a vulgar remark made months before about a girl they knew, while Cicciaro's relatives said the comment was a threat to rape the girl. After the younger White left the party, he and Cicciaro continued fighting on their cell phones, police said, and Aaron White told Cicciaro where he lived.

    When Cicciaro and four teenage friends arrived at the White's Independence Way home shortly after 11 p.m., John and Aaron White came out with guns in hand and began yelling, police said.

    "I'm going to shoot you! I'm going to shoot you!" John White allegedly told Cicciaro, Det. Lt. Jack Fitzpatrick of the Homicide Squad said.

    Police said John White then shot Cicciaro in the face. Cicciaro's friends pulled him into their car and rushed him to John T. Mather Memorial Hospital in Port Jefferson, where he died 80 minutes later.

    "This animal took the law into his own hands," Daniel Cicciaro's father, who has the same name, said. Crying and falling into relatives' arms, he said, "He was the greatest kid in the world."

    Neighbors who witnessed the aftermath of the shooting said both of the Whites sat on the steps of their house, crying and hugging each other as police arrived. John White was handcuffed and charged with second-degree murder. He was arraigned yesterday in First District Court, Central Islip, and ordered held without bail.

    Andrew B. Siben, John White's attorney, said they believe the altercation may have been racially motivated. The victim was white and the suspect is black. He declined to elaborate, but said his client has no criminal record and is a foreman at a Brooklyn asphalt company.

    Frank Leslie, a White family friend, said the family was devastated and offered condolences to Cicciaro's relatives. He described the Whites as "very much the all-American family."

    "All of us are just trying to develop some understanding of how, why this occurred," Leslie said yesterday from the Whites' Miller Place home.

    For Cicciaro's family, there was no consolation yesterday, as they grieved for the Newfield High School graduate.

    The elder Cicciaro said his son aspired to take over his company, Dano's Auto Clinic, in Port Jefferson Station, where he worked since age 8 and had his own detail business.

    "Daniel, my son, was my best friend in the world," the elder Cicciaro said. He said they had every meal together and worked side-by-side at the family's auto shop. He said his wife and Daniel's 16-year-old brother, Nick, are devastated.

    "There's no words to describe him," said Michelle Manchester, 17, a friend of Daniel's. "He did anything he could to make people happy."

    John Specht, Cicciaro's uncle, of Setauket, said, "The boy had nothing but his future in mind. ... It's just tragic."

    Tom Snow, 53, who lives across the street from the Whites, said, "It's so sad. ... I never expected this in a million years in Miller Place."
     
  2. BigBadJohn

    BigBadJohn Pay-back time OT Supporter

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    What kind of black guy is named John White. wtf
     
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    Just had to throw the race card in there didn't they....

    There is of course the possibility that there was some racial sawy in the incident but I love how the attorney just mentions it, then declines to elaborate. He wanted to plant a seed there, I hate that.
     
  5. Artyboy

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    I'd love to hear more details about that whole incident. If five people showed up on my front porch and started threatening me I'd do what I thought was necessary to protect my family and property, too.
     
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    Aequitas If it keeps on raining, levee's going to break.

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    I'm surprised to see a white guy trying to use the race card, I think that's a first for me.
     
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    It's not like the kid was an angel... he drove over to another guys house with 3 friends to kick the shit out of him - maybe even kill him.

    Hard to comment on this story.
     
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    My understanding is that the shooter was black and the dead boy was white, so they are trying to imply that the white kid came over to perform some racial violence and was stopped by the father. Did I get the wrong end there?
     
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    Well that black kid DID threaten the dead kid that he was going to rape a WHITE GIRL that he knew.
     
  10. Aequitas

    Aequitas If it keeps on raining, levee's going to break.

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    Oh ok, gotcha.
     
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  12. Artyboy

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    I misread that the first time. I thought it was the other way around. I probably would have acted the same way if I were in the dead kid's shoes.
     
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    Me too, and if I were in the black family's position I sure would have acted differently. If there's a group of 4 people in my driveway trying to get me to come outside I'm not going out there with a gun. The dad could have easily ended up dead if one of the other kids were carrying or even had a gun in the car.
     
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    Hard to comment since those kids did go over to the guys house to probably kick the shit out of him.
     
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    heres an updated story on it, sounds like the kid deserves a darwin award


    Long IslandMILLER PLACE
    Teen dared dad to shoot
    BY CHRISTINE ARMARIO AND JOSEPH MALLIA
    Newsday Staff Writers

    August 15, 2006


    As John White stood on his driveway threatening to shoot Daniel Cicciaro on Wednesday night, the youngster countered daringly, "Go ahead and shoot me!" according to a statement one of the five teens who showed up at White's home gave to police.

    White did, telling police later, "I did what I had to do," documents filed in court say.

    Cicciaro's friends scrambled to get him into their car as he bled from his head and White and his son walked back into their garage.

    The four-page testimony, and new witness information, describe how an alleged threat to a girl Cicciaro knew escalated into a fatal altercation between a 17-year-old boy just about to start his life and a 53-year-old man without a violent past living in quiet Miller Place.

    The evening had begun at a Sound Beach birthday party. Cicciaro, a recent Newfield High School graduate poised to take over his father's auto shop, his friends, and the sister of the young man they were celebrating were present. Then Aaron White, who was not invited, walked in.

    The birthday boy's sister started shaking, her father, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said yesterday. White "can't be here," she reportedly told her brother and father. Aaron left without incident within 10 minutes.

    After Aaron White left, the young woman told her brother that months earlier he had been in an Internet chat room with her former boyfriend and messaged him, saying, "I'm going to go over there and rape your girlfriend," the father said. The boyfriend sent her a copy of the message.

    When Cicciaro heard about the threat at the party, he reportedly got angry and said, "I'm going to take care of this." The girl was like a sister to him, the father said. And soon he was arguing with Aaron White on his cell phone.

    The two were "going back and forth," Joseph A. Serrano, 17, of Bay Shore, recalls in his statement to police. Although Cicciaro's name is redacted in the copy of Serrano's statement in the court file, his identity is discernible, based on prior descriptions of the evening by family members and police.

    "I ran after him and caught up with him down the block," Serrano recalled. Cicciaro said he was mad and that he wanted to go to White's house to fight. "I began to talk him out of it, telling him to let it go."

    But before he could, another teen, also unidentified, pulled up in a black BMW and told Cicciaro to get into the car. Cicciaro got in and the two drove away. Serrano said he then walked back to the party, where he and two other men got into another vehicle. They met Cicciaro and another teen, then drove together to Independence Way, where the White family lives.

    "I saw a light go on in the garage, then the garage door open," Serrano stated. "The black kid who was at the party came walking out of the garage with an older guy. The kid had a black shotgun with a brown handle."

    The other man was also armed, but in his statement Serrano says he could not tell what kind of weapon he was carrying.

    Cicciaro told Aaron White to "step off of his property so they could fight," Serrano said. "The kid said, 'No,' then the older guy started yelling." The arguing continued, and John White told Cicciaro to leave. "Or I am going to shoot you," Serrano recalled.

    The quarrel temporarily died down but then flared back up.

    "I'm going to shoot you," John White threatened again.

    "Go ahead and shoot me!" Cicciaro shot back.

    "The kid with the shotgun raised it higher but still had it pointed towards the ground when the older guy raised his right arm and I heard the gunshot go off," Serrano said.

    John White was arrested and charged with second-degree murder. His attorney, Daniel Driscoll of Bay Shore, has said the Whites were acting in self-defense and that Cicciaro and his friends used racial epithets. None are mentioned in the statement, and Cicciaro's family and friends have rebutted the claim.

    "I can't see it," said Ben Kizer, Cicciaro's high school gym teacher, who is black. "I would hate to see Danny Jr.'s name smeared in that manner."

    The Cicciaro family will bury their son today in Washington Memorial Park in Mount Sinai.
     

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