DROBO! External data storage.

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  1. thoughtshewas18

    thoughtshewas18 OT Supporter

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    P07r0457 New Member

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    we had a discussion about this a while back. It's a piece of shit. Don't do it.
     
  3. deusexaethera

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    It wastes a TON of space. Try actually using their "virtual configurator" or whatever it's called.
     
  4. hurleyint1386

    hurleyint1386 Someone has sand in their vagina

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    My boss has actually been contemplating getting a DROBO. He said that it does everything he wants to do. He's looking to get something so he can backup ghost images and other miscellaneous documents for clients. Is there a better option for this?
     
  5. Doc Brown

    Doc Brown Don't make me make you my hobby

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    The Seagate FreeAgent Pro external drives come with a copy of Memeo backup software, and would probably do you just as well for a lot less money.
     
  6. deusexaethera

    deusexaethera OT Supporter

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    Yes, there is.

    Get an old tower computer, install this in it, and hook up 5 identical SATA drives. Then install Linux Kubuntu on it (or if you must use a "highly-scalable, enterprise-level, fully-buzzword-compliant solution", use Fedora Core instead) and set it up as a file server. It will cost less than a Drobo, waste less disk space, run faster, and be more configurable.
     
  7. SLED

    SLED build an idiot proof device and someone else will

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    Open Solaris + ZFS (RAID-Z) + SATA Drives + Samba and maybe iSCSI will be my next storage solution
     
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    There are a million and 1 backup solution possibilities, I suggest you research this very well.

    If you're only backing up static files, docs, pdfs, isos, ghost images, whatever, not that big of a deal, when it comes to databases, Exchange, etc, it is.
     
  9. deusexaethera

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    Oh, by the way, unless your boss is an IT/networking specialist, don't let him make decisions about what the best hardware to buy is. If he wants a new toy, he can buy it for himself to use at home.
     
  10. Harry Caray

    Harry Caray Fine purveyor of x.264, h.264 & TS HD-Video !!! HD

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    No.. all of the above options suck.... If you want the best and something that is DESIGNED FOR THIS STUFF (aka SAN, NAS, etc.)

    Goto www.freenas.com

    1.Download and dump on a USB-pen drive or whatever you want..
    2. build your POS box with a bunch of drives....
    3. boot FreeNas and setup the IP address.

    4. YOU HAVE TO BE A REAL IDIOT not to figure out the rest ( umm, the webgui is like kickass and you can do EVERY RAID level there is except RAID-Z)

    5. Profit

    /thread

    P.S. Drobo is based upon the ZFS system, or so it is said... but true, it does waste alot of drive space...
     
  11. mobbarley

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    um doesnt drobo have some smarts to compact data on the fly etc? why does it use up more space?

    :dunno:
     
  12. deusexaethera

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    Because it uses an algorithm that attempts to allow the user to plug in whatever hard drives they have, regardless of size, and as such a large portion of the total space ends up being unavailable because there isn't enough room on the smaller drives to store parity for the larger drives.

    If you plug in four identical drives, on the other hand, you get to use all of the available space (minus the space reserved for parity), but then, if you're going to do that, the one seemingly nifty feature of the DROBO (its ability to use mismatched drives) becomes a moot point and you're just paying a lot more money for something that you could have gotten much cheaper without a brand-name on it.
     
  13. deusexaethera

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    Does your theoretical setup include parity? Because if it's just a spanned volume, then it doesn't achieve what every other "sucky" suggestion that was made here can achieve.
     
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    On the RAID/NAS topic.....

    I am thinking about getting the D-link DNS-323 and running RAID 1. I plan to store all my personal documents, digital pictures, and my organized mp3s so I don't have to worry about losing them all and trying to down the mp3s again.....never getting back the digital pics and files I had saved......

    My main reason for wanted to go this route, is that I'll never have to remember to make a backup, and running RAID 1 with two 500GB drives (giving me 500 GB of backed up storage) should do me for awhile.....

    I guess it's just easier....unless you guys have a better idea....keep in mind I have no idea how to write a script to schedule a backup.....
     
  15. Harry Caray

    Harry Caray Fine purveyor of x.264, h.264 & TS HD-Video !!! HD

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    I would expect nothing less from an '05 :rolleyes:
     
  16. deusexaethera

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    You expect nothing less than for me to ask a reasonable question, the answer to which will be useful not only to me but also to all the other people who didn't think to ask it? Okay, I'm cool with that...:hsugh:
     
  17. Harry Caray

    Harry Caray Fine purveyor of x.264, h.264 & TS HD-Video !!! HD

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    I said in my previous post...

    "DESIGNED FOR THIS STUFF" and "EVERY RAID LEVEL POSSIBLE EXCEPT Z" which is Sun's ZFS.......

    Now, if you knew ANYTHING about RAID, you'd know that RAID-5 is "Rotating Distributed Parity" ....spanned across the drives

    Simple as that and...

    /thread

    Oh wait.. we didn't mention Level 6... or 3.. or 4... or ????? :rolleyes:
     
  18. mrj

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    Sounds like he sincerely asked for your "expert" response.

    Way to be a dickhead, Mister big bad raid engineer!
     
  19. Harry Caray

    Harry Caray Fine purveyor of x.264, h.264 & TS HD-Video !!! HD

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    believe me.. I've seen his posts before... and it wasn't "sincere" :rolleyes:

    and yes... I do this crap for a living..
     
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    What are you a SAN Engineer or a tech who puts servers together?
     
  21. SLED

    SLED build an idiot proof device and someone else will

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    [snoop]with so much drama in the C & P, it's kind hard bein.... [/snoop] nevermind
     
  22. deusexaethera

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    You've seen my posts before where? You almost never come here. Do you mean my shit-shooting in American Muscle? That doesn't count because I'm not a muscle car gearhead. What I am is an IEEE- and ABET-certified software engineer, and I "do this crap" for a living as well. I misread your previous post and didn't notice the bit about "every RAID level except RAID-Z" because I was too distracted by the self-granted superiority of your own solution and your outright dismissal of everyone else's ideas. So I'm sorry I wasn't paying more attention, but a more detailed explanation of your original post still actually managed to contribute some value to the conversation, despite your attitude. Now please, go fuck yourself.
     
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    freenas is a small bsd based distro which is designed for setting up storage.

    it supports most hardware / raid configurations, booting off solid state (usb key, CF) and is configured from a web interface or cmdline script.

    I have used it before but ultimately switched back to a linux distro because I needed to use my server for more than just storage.

    http://www.freenas.org/
     
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    Anyone???

     
  25. mobbarley

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    raid is no excuse not to backup. sure a HD might die, but there is a good choice lightning might fry BOTH hds, the enclosure catches fire, your house catches fire, it gets stolen, or more likely you accidently format it :dunno:

    the main purpose of raid is to avoid downtime, not to be a reliable backup. always have a second copy somewhere.
     

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