GUN Double action pistol question

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  1. lt1aggie

    lt1aggie what?

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    My dad's looking at options for ccw (although mostly just in his truck). He likes my P99AS, which has a double action first pull (if its not cocked) and single action after each time a round is fired. It also has a decocker. Are there any other guns like this (besides revolvers) that offer this, or other guns that are double action only? (Such as the P99QA) It seems most others (such as glocks, xd, etc) are all single action only or don't have a decocker. I think at this points he's about ready to buy a .357 wheel gun, but I wanted to see if I could find any other semi-autos for him.

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  3. lt1aggie

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    Oh, one other thing I forgot to mention...he doesn't want an external safety.
     
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    what in the sweet chocolate fuck would you want a decocker and a DA pull on a modified DAO gun for?

    I say the standard answer of find what he shoots best and train with it would work, can you not talk him out of restricting the hell out of his choices right off the bat?
     
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    The P99QA is not double action, its a glock sytle action with a pre loaded striker, the P99DAO and P990 are the DA only models of the P99.

    The design you're talking about is pretty common, some people called it traditional double action. Sig's have it, HK's can be had in that variant, there is a model of CZ75 like that, s&w guns can be converted to have their safeties turned into decocker only.

    For that matter I wouldn't even call a glock single action, it feels nothing like a 1911 trigger. A DA only gun doesn't need a decocker because nothing is cocked unless you're pulling the trigger.
     
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    Ok, you're right about the P99, I got confused. As far as the decocker, I realize on a true double action you don't need one. I was referring to those that are single action.

    He doesn't want to have to mess with a safety, so he wants something that has a long, hard trigger pull (like a double action gun) to make up for the lack of safety. While you might not consider a glock to be a true single action, he thinks the trigger pull is too short and light. Besides that, glocks don't fit his hand at all.
     
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    Even when you're talking about glock style triggers you don't need a decocker. The firing mechanism on those type of guns is set by the slide's movement, so with most of them if you were to decock them, you'd have a big worthless chunk of gun until you worked the slide again. Take the P99QA for example, it has a decocker, but it is not to be used like the decocker on the P99AS. There is no double action mode to drop to, it just completely disables the gun. The only reason to put a decocker on such a gun is so you don't have to pull the trigger to take it apart.

    If the glock style trigger is too light you're going to want to look at TDA guns, primarily the p99AS, the sig series, the cz 75bd, and hk guns of the decocker only variants. I think that covers most of the readily available ones.
     
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    no external safety? Sig would probably be your best bet :dunno:

    if he doesnt care about that he can also look at H&K USP's and Beretta 92's
     
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    Clingman Clingman runs Bartertown.

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    Sounds like he may just need a wheelgun then.

    I disagree, and so do tens of thousands of people who carry Glocks every day. Keep your finger out of the trigger guard until you are on target and ready to fire.

    This is not a legitimate argument. Glocks "fit" everyone, when their grip is correct anyway.
     
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    :wtf: how is that not a legitimate argument?

    :ugh: if his dad is looking for something to conceal carry, fitting your hand is the name of the game.
     
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    :rofl: even his edit is stupid
     
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    You can look for a Hk USP variant 7. Variant 7 is a DAO trigger and no external safety... fits the bill perfectly.

    You don't see too many V7s around, but you can buy a V1 (DA/SA with decocker and external safety - pretty much all the USPs are this variant) and convert it to V7.
     
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    Clingman Clingman runs Bartertown.

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    I'm glad to keep the discussion going here. At this point I'm gonna bow out of this thread and make the suggestion that everyone in WMD get some GOOD training. And that means more than just a CCW class at Jeb's range. :cool:
     
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    now THAT is something he can use.
     
  16. lt1aggie

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    Agreed.
     
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    I <3 my H&K P2000sk .40 carry

    No de-cocker, or external safety, DAO
     
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    :doh:

    Completely forgot about the P2000/SK... great choice. :bigthumb:
     
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    x2. I carry a p2000 SA/DA. Seems to fit the requirements listed.
     
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    P2000 would be a great candidate. Especially since he can change the grips to fit his hand, since it sounds like that is a concern.
     
  21. lt1aggie

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    I looked at the p2000 briefly. It fit well in my hand. I'll have to relay the message. Thanks for the help guys.
     
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    Slick26 Gun|Bike|Cigar|PS3|Beer |Whisky|Night Crew

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    I liked my P2000sk, it just didn't shoot well for me. Or, I didn't shoot IT well, for some reason.
    Otherwise, I really really liked it. What a shame.
     

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