MIL Does being in the military grant you more or less freedom than living at home?

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  1. Zombie Pornstar

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    Right now I feel like my parents control far too much of my life at age 18. I'll be up at 1 am on a saturday playing xbox and my father comes in and makes me go to bed. :ugh2: This may sound stupid to you older people, but at 18 I feel like I should be able to make the decision to go to bed on a weekend. Its simple stuff like that, asking permission to go out, making excuses, etc. When I get in the Navy, will I have more freedoms about doing what I want to do? This is of course after training.
     
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    They probably make you go to bed because you're keeping them up. They probably don't have the luxury of getting up whenever they want to, showing up for work whenever they want to, and using the excuse "I was up all night playing games" as a reason why they can't concentrate on their job.

    Good luck bringing this mindset with you into the military. You will go far.

    On a side note; I wrote a Letter Of Counseling on one of my soldiers for staying up all night talking with chicks on the web before missions. He had been fucking up various things he was supposed to be doing and it turned out to be that he wasn't getting enough sleep. Fucking dumbass shitbrain kids. :rant:
     
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    That's a good point, though usually my dad hits the sack very late anyways. It could be that my mother is being bothered by it and asks him to send me to bed. I don't like you making the assumption that my staying out/staying up is affecting my work, though. I have a job and go to school, and if I need to be up early for them then I get sleep. I get up at 6 o clock every morning to run cross country, and I go to bed at no later than 11 to make sure I am ready to run.


    I just want to be able to make some decisions for myself and be treated more as an adult. I'm sure this won't be very possible on weekdays, but on weekends I'd like some discretion.
     
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    You will never be treated as an adult while you are living with your parents. It's just not going to happen. You would probably be treated more like an adult if you acted more like one. But, again, that's also probably not going to happen. You probably won't like what I'm about to say, but your parents don't view you as an adult because you aren't one yet. You can vote, you might be able to drink, and you can be tried as an adult if you break the law, but as far as they and most adults in the world are concerned, you aren't yet a contributing mature adult member of society. The big things in your life don't hinge around putting food on the table, paying your house note, or getting your workers to do their job. Your big issues are playing with your xbox and staying up late.

    I'm not trying to make you feel stupid or inferior. You are experiencing the exact same thing that everyone else in the world goes through at this point in their lives. You are getting nudged toward the edge of the nest. You'll probably hit the ground a couple of times before you get the hang of this whole "freedom" thing. So just hang on, learn from those who have gone before you, and enjoy the ride. In the meantime, try looking at it from your parent's point of view. I know that when my kids turned 18, I was ready for them to move on. Raising kids is the most rewarding thing I have ever done in my entire life. But raising teenagers is just one fucking hellacious mental/physical drain.

    But back to your question. It all depends on your job, your rank, and where you are stationed. The first two years of your enlistment will not have a lot of freedom and flexibility. There will be some, but even your off-duty freedom will be regulated and limited. Most of that will come from your chain of command, but some of it will also come from your fellow sailors. I guarantee you that if you were keeping me awake at night playing a fucking xbox, you and I would find a way to settle the issue - and one of us probably wouldn't like it very much.
     
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    My dad told me "When you start paying the bills, you can be boss."
    I now tell my kids the same thing.
     
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    You will have more freedom to do certain things, but while you are in the military, you will abide by their rules. For example, you can stay up, go out and have a good time, but you have to let your supervisor know where you are going, when are you planning on coming back, and how. You will learn pretty fast that freedom will come with alot of responsibility.
     
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    Thanks for that, it makes a lot of sense coming from a parent. Comparatively, I really am still a kid. I appreciate the answer.
     
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    are you fucking serious
     
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    I haven't been that concerned over joining the navy until I saw this and realized that I might be on the same boat as him
     
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    Yes and No.

    You will have the opportunity to make choices for a change in most cases.

    It gets better as you gain rank also.
     
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    A warrant sent this to me the other day.

    Kitty Hawk Sailors Chafe Under Liberty Rules (NAVY TIMES 17 DEC 07) ...
    - Gidget Fuentes SAN DIEGO

    So you've got liberty in Japan? First, fill out this form. Then, get your chief's OK. And if you want to drink, don't forget your liberty buddy. And remember to phone in each day, even on your weekend off. Those are just some of the rules for sailors stationed in Japan aboard the carrier Kitty Hawk, at least until the ship hands over its berth next summer to the George Washington before its eventual decommissioning. Kitty Hawk sailors are living with some of the strictest liberty rules in the Navy, even when their ship is at its home port in Yokosuka with other forward-deployed Naval Forces commands.
    Every Kitty Hawk sailor E-6 and below, and anyone planning to drink off base, must have an authorized liberty buddy and a detailed individual liberty plan that requires approval from his superior. Any change to that plan must be reported and approved by the first khaki in the command chain. The liberty restrictions - often tightened after a spate of off-duty and alcohol-related incidents involving sailors - don't always end there, according to sailors and fleet spokeswomen. Several incidents occurred the week after Kitty Hawk returned from deployment Nov. 27. In response, the command tightened the policy by requiring departmental chiefs or officers to reach by phone or physically see each of their sailors E-6 and below every evening - even on weekends and regardless of marital status - to make sure they were following approved liberty plans. The restrictions infuriated some sailors. "Kitty Hawk has entered a new phase of stupidity with its liberty plan requirements. 100 percent contact of every sailor by a khaki every night!" an unidentified sailor wrote in an e-mail to Navy Times. "The good are being punished with the bad." Another Kitty Hawk sailor, in a posting on a blog, lamented the newest restrictions. "It's just sickening the way we are treated. The biggest sting of all is watching the 16-year-old dependents of other sailors walk the base freely by themselves." And it's not necessarily any better for sailors on the other Japan-based ships. One petty officer first class aboard the destroyer Mustin, in an e-mail to Navy Times relayed by another sailor, wrote about an impromptu date with his wife to a local restaurant, thanks to a helpful friend's offer to baby-sit their son. But before they could sit down to dinner and drinks that night, he had to go back to the ship to fill out a liberty plan and get his command's OK. Considering his age and rank, " should not have to ask for approval to consume a drink in public with my wife." But Navy officials say the liberty rules are needed to ensure good relations with the local community at their home ports or other foreign liberty ports.
    Alarmed by some high-profile crimes and allegations involving sailors, officials rewrote liberty rules in 2003, setting new off-duty and liberty restrictions for junior sailors, and instituted a system of color-coded liberty passes for sailors with U.S. Naval Forces-Japan.
    "Relationships with our friends and partners can be negatively impacted by the poor conduct in foreign ports," Cmdr. Dawn Cutler, a 7th Fleet spokeswoman, said by telephone Wednesday. An off-duty incident that gets little attention in the U.S. often becomes a firestorm of controversy in Japan, officials said. Kitty Hawk's recent spot checks were temporary, "since most liberty incidents in the past have occurred in the first few days after a return from deployment," she said. The carrier did throttle back to require spot checks on 20 percent of sailors E-6 and below, Cmdr. Jensin Sommer, a spokeswoman for Task Force 70 aboard Kitty Hawk, said Friday via e-mail. Sommer said that is a normal fleet requirement, noting that spot checks are at each ship commander's discretion. "These spot checks are a way to re-emphasize the point that if you want to deviate or make a change to your original plan, it is OK to do so, as long as you contact the first khaki in your chain of command and inform him/her of the change," Sommer said. "This allows the sailor the flexibility to make a change to enjoy his/her liberty." While officials laud the "flexibility" such rules provide, sailors call them restrictive and little more than baby-sitting. "In my 21 years of service in the Navy and 10 years served under 7th fleet, [I've] never seen [it] this bad," an unidentified Kitty Hawk chief petty officer wrote on a blog.
    "Hopefully, the future is more promising with the GW." Some sailors said tight restrictions have hurt morale. "The ships are so paranoid about people messing up because if they do, the ship has to formally address the incident, why it happened, why they didn't prevent it and what they'll do to ensure it doesn't happen again," one sailor assigned to a Yokosuka warship wrote to Navy Times. The recent crackdown in Kitty Hawk's liberty came about the same time as the publicized arrest of a petty officer second class, who allegedly punched a Japanese woman Dec.
    2 in Yokosuka and is assigned to 7th Fleet command ship Blue Ridge, according to articles in Stars and Stripes. The sailor who wrote the e-mail said the Blue Ridge doesn't require its sailors to submit individual liberty plans.
     
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    then maybe you lack the maturity to sign a contract. :ugh:

    you're 18 and playing xbox till 1 am is nuisance to your parents and you think somehow the navy will magically make everything better?
     
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    Damn, I guess it only got worse after I left. When I was last there I was a second class living out in town, so I really just did what ever the fuck I wanted. Even when they locked the base down I was just told to stay in my house. :mamoru:
     

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