Diets (The Second Course)

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  1. Kangz

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    I couldn't be assed writing up a food thread when there is a perfectly good one in the archives. I'll just paste it in here, it was originally posted by Ceaze and it originates from T-mag.com

    Read the whole thing! If you don't know much about diets, it is truly enlightening.

     
  2. Filmboy44

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    :repost:

    sorry had to do it
     
  3. trancezj

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    certainly worth a :repost:
     
  4. Kangz

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    :squint:

    You have no idea how many ways I want to inflict pain upon you right now...
     
  5. jeremyjoe

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    Good to read this stuff more than once
     
  6. DEF

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    aka :buttsex:
     
  7. sweet jesus!!!

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    I'll post my diet knowledge....


    btw I didn't read ceaze's post so their might be a repost or two.

    Eat 5-6 times a day
    for cutting, start with 16x your body weight for week 1. Reduce to 14x your body weight for week 2. For week three, cut it down to 12x your bodyweight. Continue on 12x until you stop seeing a loss in weight after a few months and cut down to 10x.
    Carbs in the morning and after workout. Fat at night. Protein anytime. Try not to mix fat and carbs at the same meal.
    Low carb diets suck. Cardio in the morning on an empty stomach unless you're doing HIIT. Try going a longer amount of time when doing low resistance cardio. Weights 3-5 times a week. Cardio 5-7 times a week.


    There's more. I'm just can't quite remember. Bulking cycle and all.
     
  8. sweet jesus!!!

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    slower digesting so you aren't real hungry when you wake up and can do a decent amount of cardio on an empty stomach.

    I guess you could eat carbs or slow digesting protein.

    And carbs and protein DON'T give you energy????
     
  9. Kangz

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    Not exactly, the idea is to slow the release of the protein (that you are meant to ingest with the fat). Not only does this help to reduce insulin spikes but also helps stave off cortisol and reduce catabolicism.

    The other thing about the 16x etc. Don't do that. Maintain a diet below maintenance levels, losing 1-2lbs of fat a week. Then when decreases cease, have a carb up day to increase leptin levels. Use simple carbs of about 20-30% above maintenance (no fructose, corn syrup). Don't mix the carbs with too much fat (ie. Don't eat pizza, this isn't a free meal, it's a carb up).
     
  10. Simple

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    i also remember reading you want at least a little bit of fat with each meal, it helps in getting more out of the food
     
  11. sweet jesus!!!

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    Well the 16X is maintenace level for the body. Usually people who start a diet have been eating over 16X their bodyweight. So instead of jumping right into below maintenance levels, it's good to start them off with 16X so they won't cheat because they aren't used to dieting.

    Are you basing your post on a CKD diet? aka no carbs, high fat?
     
  12. Kangz

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    16X is a rough guesstimate of maintenance. There are better ways of obtaining maintenance levels. Although I was more referring to you combatting reduced effectiveness of diet with lowering calories. That won't work. 500cals under maintenance is plenty.

    And no, I wasn't basing it on a CKD, although CKD's also use this theory (to some extent).
     
  13. sweet jesus!!!

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    Diet works great for me. And I'm fucking ripped.
     
  14. Kangz

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    Protein needs to last the entire night to stop catabolicism and enduce muscle growth.

    Most muscle growth happens at night.

    Eating casein will help prolong stores of protein while sleeping.

    Fat will also prolong stores.

    Fat will reduce the insulin spike associated with large protein meals, reducing fat storage.

    Who ever said 20g? I usually have a tblsp of flax along with some cottage cheese and a casein protein shake (with a little whey isolate).
     
  15. Kangz

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    Yeah, fair enough.

    I like fat :yum:
     
  16. sweet jesus!!!

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    I don't remember me posting 20g of fat at night.
    Lemme look again...........................nope.
     

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