Discussion in 'OT Bar' started by Rob H, Sep 17, 2007.
Wow, I thought it was the UFC that was retarded for not signing Kang. At least now it all makes sense, and good for him if that's what he wants.
Again this bullshit about exclusivity is a major cockblock for the fans.
Ufc has its head lodged so far up their own ass that they truly believe the ufc name and octagon is bigger than the fighters and the sport itself.
Kang-Silva excites me so much more than the hendo match up.
he's got more value with K-1...but it still sucks
i am glad to see he is getting what he wants, hopefully when his contract up next year the UFC will rethink not signing him.
You think the NFL wants their players playing in the CFL?
Individual sports != team sports
Think Boxing, tennis, golf.
depends on which fans
for the korean fans its great, as mma is exploding there, kang, dong hyun kim, un sik song, kwang hee lee, dong sik yoon, akiyama are either huge or getting there in korea and making waves in japan.
kwang is the spirit mc welterweight champ (70kg, 155lbs) he also was coach on the korean version of tuf called go! super korean
kim is fighting hasegawa for the welterweight title in deep. (kim already tko'ed hasegawa last month in a non-title bout)
song has also been tearing up m.a.r.s in japan
all 3 are undefeated, all 3 come from jung shim kwan in seoul. add in kang, akiyama, dong sik yoon, korea is on board woowoo
well im glad he signed somewhere, finally....he is holding a seminar this saturday at my gym....
i still wish he signed with the ufc though... dana is fucking idot to pass him up.
Who the fucks gonna be his competition in k1 @ 185 ????!!!!
he would murder saku.
this is why in a way im happy for him, he will prob. hold the belt, but with nobody to fight as far as real competition. ghey.
Denis with 1 n
I'm happy he finally signed where he wanted to but I'm disappointed that we won't be seeing him in the UFC anytime soon
disagree. when you are in a sport with such high volatility of injury and marketability (one loss can drop the value of a fighter drastically), it makes no sense what-so-ever to allow them to fight in multiple orgs. Kang was being unreasonable.
But regardless, he got what he wants, good for him, bad for US fans and fans of good MMA.
How often do we see a fighter get injured in actual competition and be away from the sport for more than their usual 3-6months because of injury.
And marketability for big time fighters isn't an issue either. Wandy, hendo, chuck, tito, ace, gomi, etc... All have recent losses and people are still paying crazy bucks to see them. Big time fighters don't truly need to sign multi-fight exclusive contracts. (I'm sure the ufc wishes they hadn't signed such a huge long term deal with crocop though ) The only time the exclusivity makes sense is when a title is involved, nobody wants their champ getting beat in another org, and lessening the value of their belt. Maybe mock up some sort of champ's clause??
I wonder how the negotiations have actually played out for both kang and fedor.
that doesnt make sense. so if kang fights in the UFC in January, then takes 3 months off to train for his next fight in another org, then breaks his hand and cant train for a couple months, then takes a couple months to train for his next UFC fight, you can see the delay in a top level fighter selling tickets and PPVs for them. And why on earth would they want someone making money for other people? This isnt socialist russia. And who cares how often career debilitating injuries happen, it is not worth the risk on a major investment.
And Rich is nowhere near the draw he was after the franklin loss. He was a golden boy, everyone thought he was the bees knees, now no one thinks he has a shot in hell. Fact is he isnt worth as much as he was before.
And success in other orgs does go into consideration for title shots. (Rampage, Wandy, Fedor, Silva, etc...) So if your #1 contender goes out to some shit org and gets KO'd by some B level chump, then what? You think you will still have the same PPV or gate draw from that fighter? fuck no. Will it alter their position in title shot contentions? yes. Will it add value to another org by them having the guy that beat the A fighter from the UFC? fuck yes.
there are 100 reasons why letting a fighter fight in another org is just an idiotic business decision. I'm still waiting to hear a good reason why fighters should be able to fight in multiple orgs.
good for his star power in Korea and Japan but bad for MMA fans, K-1 is a joke for the most part
also if he loses a fight in K-1 he will lose a lot of value too
You enjoying playing devils advocate?
Any true mma fan should believe that the fighters make the sport.
Ufc would like you and the masses to believe that mma is all about the octagon and their hype. Boxing was at its best when there were just 3 major titles (2 wb's and the ibf) and the best fighters fought each other all over the world.
Elite doesn't hold exclusivity over their fighters and Cuban doesn't plan to either, both of them have deep pockets and hopefully they can sign and develop some top level talent to dissolve all this "you can't fight the other best fighter in the world because they fight in a cage or ring instead of an octagon" bullshit or in a perfect world the brands would co-exist.
I guess I see it as whats best for the fans against capitalism.
I would assume Elite cant hold exclusivity because no one would sign with them to fight once a year. When you are in the position the UFC is then you can hold exclusivity in contracts which is really what is best for your business. Fact is, it is best for the UFC to hold exclusivity rights over fighters.
sucks, but its true.
Cuban's deep pockets could change that landscape though, lets cross our fingers and hope so. He could turn the UFC into the "Cuba" of mma if he plays his cards right.
Universal MMA here in Vancouver
He pretty much owns the place
Sweet, my buddy trains there. I just may check it out.
I think its better for the sport as a whole for the UFC to keep fighters exclusive. For pretty much all the reasons chekii mentioned. Without that it becomes basically what the boxing situation is, a mess.
It might not be the best thing for the fighters, but for the fans, the UFC, and the sport of MMA in general I think exclusivity is best.
i didnt even think of that. that is a really good point.
universal MMA on granville, he actually is a part owner and overseas much of the grading of the belt for BJJ
saturday the 22nd
I'll be at home watching UFC 76
Tell that nga to kick ass in K-1